What do LDS men think of non-virginal women?

[_beastie]

To loop around to another recent conversation, this idea that the HG quickens intelligence was probably the origin of SWK's disappointment that LDS members weren't setting the world on fire as far as arts and innovations were concerned.

[_The Nehor]

To loop around to another recent conversation, this idea that the HG quickens intelligence was probably the origin of SWK's disappointment that LDS members weren't setting the world on fire as far as arts and innovations were concerned.

Could be that most members don't use it right. I know I could be doing much more challenging things in my life.....instead I'm here :)

[_DonBradley]

And were young men given the impression that it may be up to the young man to put the brakes on the young woman?

LOL--no!

I'm not sure this is the same as a double standard of sexual behavior, but it was certainly always assumed, and sometimes explicitly stated, that young men were the ones filled with lust. The attitude toward female sexuality seems Victorian: that women didn't really want sex, at least not that much. This is plainly sexist and just wrong. But in a way it makes the absence of at least any strong behavioral double standard the more remarkable: those who were assumed to be filled with lust were held just as accountable for setting limits as those assumed not to be.

Don

[_beastie]

on the beliefs, first, that the initiative for such behavior must come from the man,

Yes, this is exactly what I was getting at.

[_DonBradley]

Hey Blixa,

We had nothing so suggestive as either a hotdog or a cupcake--just a stale piece of toast. Your lessons were at least a little truer to the realities of sex--highlighting the pleasures of the cupcake, or, in Joseph Smith's analogy, the apple.

Don

[_Coggins7]

This simply blows my mind: all the time I heard that these girls had to be rebaptized. This was western orange county california in the late 70's and early 80's. a friend of mine from high school got pregnant and I heard the institute teacher ask her a couple years later how her bapitism was. My sister, who was a few years younger than I had two or three friends that got pregnant and had to be rebaptized.

Really, more stories styleguy? Do you expect me to buy into this kind of thing yet again? The only way anybody can ever be rebaptized is if they've been excommunicated, and premarital relations are only excommunicatable offenses depending on the attitude of the individual involved and circumstances of the sin. There is no doctrine or policy in the Church, and there certainly never was in the seventies (I was in San Diego at the time, a teenager, and never heard of such a thing), requiring rebaptism for a female because they were pregnant.

Keep up the pose man. Quite entertaining.

[_asbestosman]

I will never forget the brief fad on MAD of declaring one's IQ. It was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen.

Remember "The Glory of God is Intelligence", and that intelligence come from the quickening effect of the Holy Ghost. That's why believers score so high on online IQ test.

I supposedly had an IQ of 85. I also supposedly had an IQ of much higher. Honestly, I think IQ is mostly bunk.

[_karl61]

DonBradley wrote:

"This is so opposite to what I've observed. I've more frequently seen the opposite--the guy excommunicated and the girl perhaps only put on probation--on the beliefs, first, that the initiative for such behavior must come from the man, and, second, that he holds the priesthood and is therefore more accountable. Such disproportionate discipline is particularly likely for male returned missionaries. When they get involved in sex outside marriage, it's generally with a girl who hasn't been on a mission, and therefore hasn't gone through the temple. The guy is considered more accountable because of the ordinances he's received and covenants he's made"

I actually never knew an RM to get a girl pregnant: the girls that were excommunicated were dating non-members. The ones that I worked with: the guy was 18 and a priest and the girl was about 20 and was a member of the church. But having sex outside marriage in western orange county, was like being a jew in nazi germany, they needed to get rid of you. There was no patience, no long suffereing with the person. You were a disease to the stake. Of course my friend who played football for BYU use to tell me that our stake was so strict as he said I guess they expect you to make mistakes when you go to BYU.

[_beastie]

It is important to remember that one stake president with a personal "agenda" can have quite an influence on a given area.

[_karl61]

This simply blows my mind: all the time I heard that these girls had to be rebaptized. This was western orange county california in the late 70's and early 80's. a friend of mine from high school got pregnant and I heard the institute teacher ask her a couple years later how her bapitism was. My sister, who was a few years younger than I had two or three friends that got pregnant and had to be rebaptized.

Really, more stories styleguy? Do you expect me to buy into this kind of thing yet again? The only way anybody can ever be rebaptized is if they've been excommunicated, and premarital relations are only excommunicatable offenses depending on the attitude of the individual involved and circumstances of the sin. There is no doctrine or policy in the Church, and there certainly never was in the seventies (I was in San Diego at the time, a teenager, and never heard of such a thing), requiring rebaptism for a female because they were pregnant.

Keep up the pose man. Quite entertaining.

actually - I think I am the last person known to lie on this board. The whole thing just shows what a scam the church court system is because it has nothing to do with the person's attitude but has to do with the personality of the stake president or the bishop. There are those that excommunicate, those that disfellowship and those that tell the person not to take the sacrament for six months like my RM cousin did after he and his girlfriend confessed to having sex, but she was not pregnant.