I love my kids too much to send them into such a place that would singlehandedly undo all the light they were able to show when they attended our state universities. My family didn't hide the light the gospel is in their lives. They followed the commandment.
Well is is too damn bad we are not all as wonderous as you and your kids Harmony. Can I go upchuck now?
by the way, you talk about pride? I suggest you consider some of your posts here and work a bit on that beam in your own eye.
I like you Harm but on this one you are quite frankly, full of crap.
It really does seem wrong to use tithing funds to give some students (those who are either well connected or get good grades in HS), a nearly free education using funds from those who can't even afford to send their own children to college. I think of those who struggle to pay for electricity and food, who are paying for some rich and/or smart young people to go to college. It doesn't seem right.
One point I did not make is that I think that tuition and BYU should be rasied and less of it subsidized by tithing. Sense so few benefit this seems appropriate. I recall every time I took one of mine to BYU orientation that at least one speaker said something to the kids about how humble and grateful they should be to have been accepted to BYU because part of their tuition was being funded by the widows mite.
12 And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.
(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 6:12)
I got in because my father donated to the school for years and went to high school with the acting president. I had a GPA of about 2.9. I was under probation but I got in (yeah, I maintained a 3.8 afterwards).
Deseret towers (the dorm I stayed in) had a few poor people living there - High GPA/scholarships. Most of the others were from Arizona, Idaho and California from very affluent families from the right parts of town. It was what it was. I guess I fit right in with my family's background. DT seemed to be filled mostly of freshmen and sophmores.
Lots of nice cars in the parking lot, flying home for holidays, skiing..
To be real, there should be two different arguments going on--one about the benefit to the Church of BYU, and one about tithing. The two don't mix.
A lot of the criticisms of BYU are about the use or misuse of tithing funds. That tithing is a deposit we make in a bank, and then have a right to withdraw from. We get to say how that money is spent. It should be used for us specifically.
This is a crock.
Tithing is the Lord's. Everything we have comes from God. We give 10% back of what has been given us as a token of our gratitude. It is gift. Once you give a gift it is no longer yours to demand anything of. End of story.
Those who receive the funds on behalf of the Lord answer to Him. They will be held accountable.
As a member of the Church, you covenant to follow the Lord's commandments. One of those is tithing. You also covenant to follow the Lord's servants. Put the two together!
Inconceivable wrote:Deseret towers (the dorm I stayed in) had a few poor people living there - High GPA/scholarships. Most of the others were from Arizona, Idaho and California from very affluent families from the right parts of town. It was what it was. I guess I fit right in with my family's background. DT seemed to be filled mostly of freshmen and sophmores.
I was in DT my Freshman and Sophmore years! I was from California, too. Didn't have a car, though. When were you there?
charity wrote:To be real, there should be two different arguments going on--one about the benefit to the Church of BYU, and one about tithing. The two don't mix.
Or shouldn't mix?
I thought was the whole point of the thread was church schools and the three fold mission of the church.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably. bcspace
Charity wrote:As a member of the Church, you covenant to follow the Lord's commandments. One of those is tithing. You also covenant to follow the Lord's servants. Put the two together!
But if the Lord's servants are mishandling the funds, we have a right to say something.
I'm guessing LDS leaders think BYU is a good investment to ensure the church will continue. (smile). Last I heard there were some serious issue regarding inactivity among young adults. (Anyone know if this is still a concern)? If I recall correctly, this age group had a large percentage of inactive and non-believing members. I wonder if the move to accept more students, and the change from Ricks to BYI is a result of the concern? If the church gets young people to one of the "Y's" I'm thinking the leaders are hopeful (rightly so perhaps), that more young people will stay in the church.
As noted above in one of my posts that inactivity rate among YSA 18-30 is huge.
I have a really difficult time when I hear education associated with perfection. REALLY don't like it. It is CLEAR that having various degrees has NOTHING to do with kindness, compassion, charity, love (which according to scripture everything else is NOTHING).
Is is not the education of BYU that is the perfecting the saints part. It is the social life and environment that goes along with being there.
Charity wrote:As a member of the Church, you covenant to follow the Lord's commandments. One of those is tithing. You also covenant to follow the Lord's servants. Put the two together!
But if the Lord's servants are mishandling the funds, we have a right to say something.
You have the right to because of the government we live under but should you choose to? Different question entirely.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Inconceivable wrote:12 And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.
(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 6:12)
I got in because my father donated to the school for years and went to high school with the acting president. I had a GPA of about 2.9. I was under probation but I got in (yeah, I maintained a 3.8 afterwards).
Deseret towers (the dorm I stayed in) had a few poor people living there - High GPA/scholarships. Most of the others were from Arizona, Idaho and California from very affluent families from the right parts of town. It was what it was. I guess I fit right in with my family's background. DT seemed to be filled mostly of freshmen and sophmores.
Lots of nice cars in the parking lot, flying home for holidays, skiing..
..all subsidised by tithing.
My income had nothing to do with my kids going there. When I went my parents income had nothing to do with it. I was married and dirt poor. I have seen numerous kids from my area go that come from poor or low middle class families. Income had nothing to do with is at all.