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_truth dancer
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"Arranged marriages only have a divorce rate of 4 per cent compared to Australia which is of course about 40 per cent."


Hi Ray... I can't speak for all situations but I am familiar with this issue to some degree through personal experiences women have shared with me.

Do you know why many arranged marriage do not end?

In some countries or cultures a woman CAN'T request a divorce (even in horrible, cruel and abusive relationships). Often she will be shunned, and there are cases where she will be killed if she tries to leave an arranged marriage.

One woman I know from a particular Indian culture and belief system said that in her culture it is better to commit suicide than to try to leave a bad marriage. She said in many families, to leave is to dishonor one's family, to be shunned for life, to never be able to speak with one's family ever again. Many women in these situations have no property, money or means of survival.

Even in the United States there are arranged marriages in families from Eastern cultures who embrace these beliefs. Based on information I have personally received from women in these situations, often these families make huge sacrifices to come here knowing that it will ensure a large dowry/bride price (which are technically illegal in some places but still very much exist). For a woman to request a divorce is unthinkable for these women. It is brings dishonor and shame to one's parents in ways with which we in the west are largely unfamiliar.

Are there some arranged marriages that work out and are truly partnerships full of love and happiness? I know of one... I'm sure it happens regularly but I struggle when the suggestion is made that arranged marriages are somehow happier or better than marriages that are entered into because of love, care, and a desire to share one's life with another.


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beastie wrote:Are they STILL preaching this nonsense? I should know better than to listen to internet Mormons who keep telling me the church has liberalized on this point.

I was also surprised to hear it. I had assumed that point of view had dwindled. When I was in college I read an article (Ensign or New Era) that gave the same advice, and a picture from that article was forever burned into my brain; I can't forget it. It was a baby bottle and rattle sitting on top of college textbooks. I think the assumption at the time was that Daddy would be the student while Mommy stayed in the tiny basement apartment taking care of babies. I don't think they intended for females to combine school with parenting.
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Post by _Imwashingmypirate »

25% of marrages end in divorce here. I think. I am not sure. But I think it is 1 in 4.

The conference last night was crazy. You guys make sense. I have an exam tomorow so I am not going to spend much time on this.
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Post by _Ray A »

truth dancer wrote:Do you know why many arranged marriage do not end?

In some countries or cultures a woman CAN'T request a divorce (even in horrible, cruel and abusive relationships). Often she will be shunned, and there are cases where she will be killed if she tries to leave an arranged marriage.


TD, I'm aware of this. But this is not always the case. Arranged marriages do work even in countries where women can't legally request a divorce. I've met people in my country who had successful arranged marriages, many, as mentioned in the article. I'm not advocating it, only observing it as a phenomenon. I don't think it's a bad idea for a parent to have a say in who their son or daughter marries, and I'm saying this from personal experience with some disastrous decisions on the part of my own children. However, as it stands, I mind my own business unless asked for advice - and the request usually comes too late.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:I was once taught a lesson. It was about three words taken from the Latin New Testament. I don't remember the words but they all translated to mean love. And so there are three different types of love. It was likened unto a fire. It was important to have al these types of love in a relationship in order for the fire to burn at it's best and these loves were; most importantly, Friendship; Marrage and "ripping each others clothes off". Without one of these the fire will not be strong and it will surely burn out.

It's Greek. The three loves are agape, philia, and eros. See wikipedia: Greek words for love
philia is friendship.
eros is sexual attraction
agape is, well, I'm not really sure. It's a special love we have for family and God. It's other things too.
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beastie wrote:You're not rambling, pirate, what you say makes perfect sense.

When I was at BYU in the dark ages (1976-78) we regularly had firesides in which we were chastised to quit being obstinate and just get married and start popping out babies, for heaven's sake. It was particularly mortifying if you happen to go to one of those firesides on a date.


WTF? Who on earth takes a date to a fireside?

Again, WTF?
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Dr. Shades wrote:Who on earth takes a date to a fireside?


Cougars do. I did. We took them to devotionals too.
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asbestosman wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:Who on earth takes a date to a fireside?


Cougars do. I did. We took them to devotionals too.


OH. MY. GOD.
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Post by _asbestosman »

Dr. Shades wrote:
asbestosman wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:Who on earth takes a date to a fireside?


Cougars do. I did. We took them to devotionals too.


OH. MY. GOD.


I also took my wife out for a monitor-lit dinner one time. Her friend's husband made a computer animated candle and everything!

We're both engineers and spent lots of time in computer labs. We sometimes just hung out in the computer labs watching videos, or playing games. Once in a while, we might have done some homework together too. Maybe.
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Post by _harmony »

Dr. Shades wrote:WTF? Who on earth takes a date to a fireside?

Again, WTF?


Something tells me you didn't attend BYU, Shades.
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