Zeitgeist?

[_Imwashingmypirate]

My only problem with this is that if it is true, the government wouldn't allow it to be produced.

[_Some Schmo]

I thought it was pretty entertaining.

I'm not surprised it got a negative review. Not many people are going to enjoy it if they are vehemently opposed to what is being suggested in it. I can't help but laugh at folks who are critical of it as if they somehow know the overarching truth about everything discussed in the show.

I'm certainly not saying I agree with everything in it, but I'm not going to sit here and criticize those who are both open minded and critical to what it has to say. The stuff about religion, at least, makes perfect sense (at least, way more sense than some dude actually born of a virgin who performs miracles and defies death).

People should watch it, if for no other reason than to consider what's being talked about. But, most people won't.

Oh, and no, there's nothing in it about a conspiracy to kill 80% of the world's population. Perhaps you should judge it for yourself rather than relying on some critic's opinion (although at this point, it sounds like you've already adopted the critic's opinion for yourself before even watching all of it).

[Guest]

I can't devote two hours of my life to watching such conspiracy crap.

Movies like these produce paranoid conspiracy freaks.

You act as though it is based on substantiated facts when the fact is you know absolutely nothing about the veracity of its content, or the credibility of its author. Just because it produces the usual fluff that drives the anti-religion crowd, doesn't make it true.

I know for a fact that much of what I had heard from it is nonsense, so I feel no need to go through every single claim and research it through - especially since the claims are not well documented and it is not at all clear what they are basing their data on.

EDIT: Here is a list of their references for the religion section of the film. A conglomerate of every crackpot anti-Christianity book you can think of. No counterbalance offered from refutations by the other side, which have been in printe for decades.

Massey, Gerald - The Historic Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree
Carpenter, Edward: Pagan and Christian Creeds: Their Origin and Meaning Book Tree, 1998
Acharya S - The Christ Conspiracy, Adventures Unlimited Press
Massey, Gerald - Ancient Egypt: Light of the World, Kessinger Publishing
Churchward, Albert -The Origin and Evolution of Religion, The Book Tree
Acharya S - Suns of God, Adventures Unlimited Press
Murdock, D.M. - Who was Jesus?, Steller House Publishing
Allegro, John - The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth, Prometheus Books
Frazer, Sir James: The Golden Bough, Touchstone Pub., 1890
Maxwell, Tice, Snow - That Old Time Religion, The Book Tree
Rolleston, Frances: Mazzaroth, Rivingtons, Waterloo Place, 1862
Cumont, Franz: Astrology and Religion Among the Greeks and Romans Cosimo Classics 1912
Fideler, David: Jesus Christ, Sun of God Quest Books, 1993
Leedom, Tim C - The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read, TS Books
Wheless, Joseph: Forgery in Christianity: A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion 1930
Remsburg, John E. - The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence, Prometheus Books
Massey, Gerald - Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Mysteries of Amenta, Kessinger Publishing
Irvin, Jan & Rutajit, Andrew - Astrotheology and Shamanism, The Book Tree
Doherty, Earl - The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?, Age of Reason Pub.
Campbell, Joseph - Creative Mythology: The Masks of God, Penguin
Doane, T.W. - Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, Health Research
Maxwell, Jordan: The Light of World (Film Series) IRES
Singh, Madanjeet: The Sun- Symbol of Power and Life, UNESCO, 1993
The Naked Truth (Film) IRES
Jackson, John G. : Christianity Before Christ, American Atheist Press, 1985

Acharya was apparently one of the consultants on the film. She is an idiot who has been refuted time and time again even by Evangelicals, like my buddy in Orlando:

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

http://www.tektonics.org/af/achygosp.html

[_The Nehor]

I can't devote two hours of my life to watching such conspiracy crap, and my buddy keeps forcing its content in my head so I really don't need to in order to judge it fairly.

He won't shut up about it.

Movies like these produce paranoid conspiracy freaks like him.

You act as though it is based on substantiated facts when the fact is you know absolutely nothing about the veracity of its content, or the credibility of its author. Just because it produces the usualy fluff that drives the anti-religion crowd, doesn't make it true.

I know for a fact that much of what I had heard from it is nonsense, so I feel no need to go through every single claim and research it through - especially since the claims are not well documented and it is not at all clear what they are basing their data on.

The Illuminati is feeding you drugs in your water to make you think that.

[_Phaedrus Ut]

I watched it too and while I found it interesting I can't say I can have anything more than the minimal amount of confidence in it's accuracy. They casually mix actual facts with long shot speculation.

Even the most routine fact checking raises major warning flags about how responsible they are with what they are presenting.


Phaedrus

[_GoodK]

I couldn't watch through more than 30 minutes... but is this the movie that claims there is a conspiracy to kill 80% of the world's population? A buddy of mine tried showing me this one night but I fell asleep whiel watching it. Every now and then he starts going off at the lip about how the powers that be want to control the world, etc. Even Hurricane Katrina was planned to some extent he said. The levy you see, was broken because divers had planted bombs beforehand (no, I'm not kidding!). And of course, the reason the government was late in rescue attempts was because it really wanted as many people to die as possible.

Is this the movie that sponsor's such stupidity?

Nope, doesn't sound like it. The movie certainly doesn't say anything about killing 80% of the world's population. Nothing you've mentioned so far sounds familiar, and I sat and watched the whole thing.

People will believe just about anything nowadays, and it is sad. People who produce crap films like these know the world is full of gullible people.

True, people do believe just about anything.

What crap film are you talking about? Zeitgeist, or the one your friend tried to show you? I don't think we are talking about the same movie...

Christianity started off as a bunch of pagan sun worshippers? Good grief, this not new stuff at all. Its like he took a few issue that would scare the s*** out of people, for shock purposes only. All three have virtually nothing to do with one another.

Christianity, 9-11, and international bankers? What's the connection? The film doesn't say. One might as well start a short flick about JFK's assassination and aliens building the Egyptian pyramids.

I don't think the film implies there is a connection between the three things. It's worth watching though, at least for the stuff on the Federal Reserve (which you certainly missed if you only watched the first 30 minutes).

GoodK

[_GoodK]

This was an excellent synopsis by Jay Kinney:

It certainly was.

I found the intentional misquotation at the end of Kinney's sypnosis troubling, to say the least.

[_Some Schmo]

I know for a fact that much of what I had heard from it is nonsense, so I feel no need to go through every single claim and research it through - especially since the claims are not well documented and it is not at all clear what they are basing their data on.

Please name one thing that you "know for a fact is nonsense." I'm just curious.

[_Bryan Inks]

I couldn't watch through more than 30 minutes... but is this the movie that claims there is a conspiracy to kill 80% of the world's population? A buddy of mine tried showing me this one night but I fell asleep whiel watching it.

No, you're thinking of Endgame by Alex Jones.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I know for a fact that much of what I had heard from it is nonsense, so I feel no need to go through every single claim and research it through - especially since the claims are not well documented and it is not at all clear what they are basing their data on.

Please name one thing that you "know for a fact is nonsense." I'm just curious.

I saw a couple of things that didn't quite add up, but most of it was very interesting and could easily believed, but then if one can believe in religion then one can believe in this film.

One thing that got to me most about the Christianity part was that Christmas and Easter (In Christian terms) were not introduced into the Paganistic celebrations until well after Jesus' death. The two were put together when a leader realised Christianity was becoming popular and thought putting them together would convince pagans to convert to Christianity and this was well after the whole astronomicle thing. So it was just random luck. Also I am sure Jesus' birth was in easter time, because there were lambs in the stable. Lambs come in spring. Therefore Jesus in the Bible could Old Testament have been literally born on December 25th. unless that December 25th was in spring in that time.

:Pirate.