2nd annointings and Elder Packer - does it explain anything?

[_asbestosman]

I'm not holding a grudge. My experience simply changed my impression of the man.

Fair enough. Maybe my real problem is that I don't take enough interest in other people to keep track of who is rude and who isn't.

[_Runtu]

I'm not holding a grudge. My experience simply changed my impression of the man.

Fair enough. Maybe my real problem is that I don't take enough interest in other people to keep track of who is rude and who isn't.

I don't, either. charity asked for an example of his "rudeness," so I gave it.

[_asbestosman]

I think your suggestion brings up other issues. Test: measure Packer's arrogance without 2ndA. Measure his arrogance after. If there is not a significant difference, then I think it would prove that he's not really a believer, deep down. If I had just been promised Godhood, it would be like getting an acceptance letter to Princeton multiplied by a few thousand times. I'd be holding my snoot up high, I'd sniff and I'd snort, and have nothing to do with the non-2ndA sort.

I wonder if Jesus had his 2ndA. I mean, it's not like he'd ever hang around adultresses, and other sinners or anything.

[_asbestosman]

I don't, either. charity asked for an example of his "rudeness," so I gave it.

I think I misunderstood her question. My bad.

Even I remember some examples of rudeness on the board. It's just kinda random as to which ones I do or don't.

[_The Nehor]

I think this is psychoanalysis trying to connect two aspects of someone's life. A person I'm guessing no one here knows personally.

Also known as guessing (and not the educated kind).

[_Runtu]

I think this is psychoanalysis trying to connect two aspects of someone's life. A person I'm guessing no one here knows personally.

Also known as guessing (and not the educated kind).

Agreed. I certainly wouldn't make any conclusions about Packer based on my two experiences with him (the first was meeting him right before my mission, when he made me feel guilty for putting off my mission by 2 months to finish a semester of school). Like I said, that second experience profoundly changed my opinion about the man. If that makes me judgmental, so be it.

[_Gadianton]

I don't know him personally, but, someone I know personally does know him personally. And that someone is successful, snobbish, elitist, a LDS "team player", not very compassionate, and comes across as equally horse-and-buggy traditional on typical BKP issues as BKP does. This person I know, while I respect him greatly, is an a-hole, all things considered. And this person, in a couple of incidents involving BKP, but not in a context where there was any interaction between himself and BKP (in other words, nothing BKP did was directed toward him), was taken aback, shocked, confused, and somewhat offended by the great extent to which BKP's traditional values do in fact go. In other words, BKP is not just an a-hole, he's an a-hole's a-hole.

[_moksha]

I think Elder Oaks gave a great insight into the psychology of President Packer when he said that managing him was like managing a bear. Bears of course do what they want, by instinct rather than thought. Knowing this, I assume President Kimball used salmon as bait, when he got Elder Packer to vote to end the Priesthood ban.

For the future: The other Apostles were able to keep President Benson in line. I guess they could do the same for President Packer.

[_Scottie]

Do you guys think Elohim got his CaEMS when he was an a-hole of a human, like Packer is?

That would kind of explain a lot, wouldn't it?

[_rcrocket]

The second annointing thread explained one thing to me: An idiot posted anonymously and lacked the courage to state his name. The fact I couldn't get the general authorities' assignments to line up the way he described it suggests to me that he is, indeed, an idiot and a coward who will, quite naturally, burn in hell. Just a kind thought.