Do they know it's not true?

[_Coggins7]

No inconceivable. The real question is, why are you here?

I expected your reflexive response. It doesn't shut up a bishop or SP during a temple recommend interview though, does it? Nevertheless, your secret is safe with everyone here.

Perhaps I should been more prudent and not have let you in on it.

Answer the question. Why are you here? What is the payoff? What do you achieve by it?

If you've left the Church, why not move on? Why the hate? Why the anger? Why the bitter pursuing of something that millions of others find satisfying and meaningful? Why the need to slander, defame, and impugn the GAs?

Why the effort, inconceivable?

[_DonBradley]

Actually, this sounds a great deal like D. Michael Quinn. Indeed, Bradley's smarmy little ant bite only makes all the clearer the real concentrated lack of substance that lies just below the surface of the September Six type of intellectual who's clever and refined articulation of concepts and language mask a mushy, decomposing core.

I know who the bigots are here. We all do. But the pretense and obversion will no doubt continue on indefinitely as the actual dogmatic bigots continue their pose of sincere rationality and phony impartiality.

Jesus and Mother Teresa couldn't have said it better, Cogs. Thank you for helping me feel and recognize the Spirit.

Getting all mushy inside,

Don

[_Inconceivable]

Name one General Authority called since the life of Joseph Smith who has let on to the church being a fraud or left record of their view that it is.

Don

umm..

Oh my God. Nobody.


You win.

The church is true.


(gorbachev, tear down this wall)

[_DonBradley]

Name one General Authority called since the life of Joseph Smith who has let on to the church being a fraud or left record of their view that it is.

Don

umm..

Oh my God. Nobody.


You win.

The church is true.
(gorbachev, tear down this wall)

Warm yourself from the glow of that burning strawman all you want, Inc. It's a hell of a lot easier than dealing with my actual argument.

Don

[_Ray A]

Jesus and Mother Teresa couldn't have said it better, Cogs. Thank you for helping me feel and recognize the Spirit.

Getting all mushy inside,

Don

I think Don recognises the Spirit (of truth and fairness) better than many Mormons.

Not getting too mushy at this time, when we should have at least 24 hours grace from polemics.

[_DonBradley]

Hey Ray,

Thanks.

This board is considerably better than RfM, which I generally avoid. Real attacks on Hinckley began immediately there.

The posts here casting doubt on the man's faith express their authors' perceptions (misperceptions, in my view) that Gordon B. Hinckley must have known the church wasn't true; but I don't think they're generally meant as vituperative attacks.

And I would definitely plead clemency for Runtu. He began this thread in order to draw negative discussion about LDS authorities away from the thread on President Hinckley's death.

by the way, how have you been, Ray? PM me if you feel like it.

Don

[_Dr. Shades]

But, then again, Joseph Smith had some very smart people fooled that he was what he claimed.

Really? Which of the early Mormons would you consider "smart?"

[_Ray A]

by the way, how have you been, Ray? PM me if you feel like it.

Don

I'll be in touch soon, Don. We have some discussions to catch up on.

[_Inconceivable]

No inconceivable. The real question is, why are you here?

I expected your reflexive response..

Answer the question. Why are you here? What is the payoff? What do you achieve by it?

If you've left the Church, why not move on? Why the hate? Why the anger? Why the bitter pursuing of something that millions of others find satisfying and meaningful? Why the need to slander, defame, and impugn the GAs?

Why the effort, inconceivable?

It's no secret.


I lived the religeon, Coggs. I was on the field.

I healed, I was healed. I taught, I was instructed. I qualified for a temple recommend. I followed the steps of repentance when I deviated and felt to sing the song of redeeming love. I know the Book of Mormon and the other standard works. I am familiar with the concepts of charity and what it means to be a child of Christ. I served an honorable mission, married in the temple, full tithe payer - always, read the Book of Mormon twice through with my family at 5:30am. All those that have known me (my friends, loved ones, peers and clients), have all known that I have been a TBM all of my life. It was who I was.

I'm here for the therapy.

My way of life came crashing down around me beginning several years ago when I discovered what you consider insignificant about the history of the church. Now I sift through the clay and iron that is the foundation of the church and what was once my life to salvage the good and wholesome from it.

I will leave it alone completely someday, once I have sorted out what does not rightfully belong to the church.

Until then, people like you will only be one of many testimonies of why I should never reconsider.



Though there is no requirement, you have yet to answer - and I asked you first.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Yea, they are all liars, knaves, deceivers.

The man has been gone five minutes, and I could predict a thread like this. No mercy, let's rip into 'em asap. Expose the fraud.

God, grant me one wish, that people would see virtue and truth beyond their own narrow views of "reality".

Thanks, Runtu. Thanks heaps. I didn't even expect 24 hours grace.

Grace for what?

in my opinion, Hinckley knew long ago that this whole thing was a charade, but he chose to remain in it for the bennies.

He has done nothing more than run a club for a bunch of mostly-white mid western polygamist descendants.

Had he chosen to "Stand for Something" when he realized it was all a charade 50-60 years ago, we would not be kicking dirt on his memory today.

Joseph lied and so did Gordon.