Denied the Sacrament: Do Mormons Misunderstand Grace?

[_Wintersfootsteps]

Oh put a sock in it, Charity. It isn't about secret, it's about not letting a man born of a woman make you think that God doesn't love you. If you like that pseudo-religious S&M crap, so be it. But some of us do not.

I will have no middle man between me and God. Mormons are a minority, so it is safe to say that there are plenty of us (non-Mormons) out there who are honest, upright folk, who do not rape, pillage, or kill. You and yours are not the reason why society still has light left in it.

Then you deny Christ. He is the middleman between you and God. It is by the atonement for your sins that He bought you, and you owe Him. Big time. He requires that you repent and demonstrate to Him that you have sincerely repented.

She doesn't deny Christ, at least I don't believe she does...

What she is saying is that a bishop, or any other HUMAN BEING ON EARTH, shouldn't stand between you and God. It shouldn't be another man's decision, it should be God's decision. Denying the sacrament to someone is saying that you speak for God in a sense, and I believe that is wrong. Only God can speak for God.

[_truth dancer]

Again, it just doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense when we realize how shame motivates people, and how power and authority are required for obedience to men.

~dancer~

[_Runtu]

Again, it just doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense when we realize how shame motivates people, and how power and authority are required for obedience to men.

~dancer~

I've found that just about everything in Mormonism makes more sense when you see it as a man-made religion and not God's true church.

[_Black Moclips]

Yes, its much more complicated than "Go thy way, and sin no more".

He was just joking.

[_truth dancer]

Yes, its much more complicated than "Go thy way, and sin no more".

Christ just had a "superficial understanding" of what it means to repent and be forgiven. Apologists know the truth. ;-)

~dancer~

[_Sam Harris]

"Then you deny Christ."

Oh hoity-toity! Just because I refuse to let some stuffy old man who neither knows me or my situation tell me whether or not I'm worthy to recieve God's love...I deny Christ.

Charity, I've watched you spin psycho-religious fairytales for years now, and I know that for you, anyone who isn't uber-mormon like you denies Christ.

I made myself clear. But you chose to take a low jab, because you cannot fathom the freedom I have. I do not need a bishop to keep me chaste, I can make that choice for myself. I do not need a bishop to tell me not to drink, being chronically on percocet and vicodin does that for me. I do not need a bishop to tell me to read my scriptures, I'm a theology major, honey.

If my own mama can't make me obey unless I want to, what makes you think anyone can? I move in the right direction because I desire to. That's what grace does for you Charity (not that I expect you to ever understand), the love of God softens your heart so much, that you want to move in the right direction. I do not act on my spiritual convictions because I'm afraid of what will happen to me if I do not. You can't fathom that...and I truly pity you.

Winter, I'll PM you tonight. They have filters here at work, and sometimes my PMs don't go through. Nice to meet you, though!

Thanks to everyone who clarified my position before I did. Satanwassetup, you're a hoot. That was nasty. So you're telling me that a person who only engages in heavy-petting with one person is okay? LOL! Insane!

[_Runtu]

Yes, its much more complicated than "Go thy way, and sin no more".

Christ just had a "superficial understanding" of what it means to repent and be forgiven. Apologists know the truth. ;-)

~dancer~

The gospel according to charity:

29 And Jesus said, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
31 And charity spake unto the Lord, saying, No it isn't.
32 And Jesus said unto the woman, Go thy way, and sin no more;
33 And charity saith, List not to the winebibber; thou must suffer exceeding pain, even descend to the depths of hell, before thou canst be forgiven.
32 And Jesus saith, Oh do shut up.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Yes, its much more complicated than "Go thy way, and sin no more".

Christ just had a "superficial understanding" of what it means to repent and be forgiven. Apologists know the truth. ;-)

~dancer~

I think you nailed it, TD. Sometimes Christ just spoke his opinions. If his opinions don't line up with current LDS doctrine, and were not voted on and sustained by the FP and Q12, then they aren't doctrine.

[_Wintersfootsteps]

"Then you deny Christ."

Oh hoity-toity! Just because I refuse to let some stuffy old man who neither knows me or my situation tell me whether or not I'm worthy to recieve God's love...I deny Christ.

Charity, I've watched you spin psycho-religious fairytales for years now, and I know that for you, anyone who isn't uber-mormon like you denies Christ.

I made myself clear. But you chose to take a low jab, because you cannot fathom the freedom I have. I do not need a bishop to keep me chaste, I can make that choice for myself. I do not need a bishop to tell me not to drink, being chronically on percocet and vicodin does that for me. I do not need a bishop to tell me to read my scriptures, I'm a theology major, honey.

If my own mama can't make me obey unless I want to, what makes you think anyone can? I move in the right direction because I desire to. That's what grace does for you Charity (not that I expect you to ever understand), the love of God softens your heart so much, that you want to move in the right direction. I do not act on my spiritual convictions because I'm afraid of what will happen to me if I do not. You can't fathom that...and I truly pity you.

Winter, I'll PM you tonight. They have filters here at work, and sometimes my PMs don't go through. Nice to meet you, though!

Thanks to everyone who clarified my position before I did. Satanwassetup, you're a hoot. That was nasty. So you're telling me that a person who only engages in heavy-petting with one person is okay? LOL! Insane!

Thanks for the reply, I understand completely about work filters... I deal with that myself. I find myself agreeing with everything you say, and I wish I the way with words that you do!

If anything, I am closer to Christ since deciding to stop attending the Mormon Church. I do the faith based things that I do because I WANT to, not because I have to prove anything to anyone. My relationship has become much more personal, and I am so thankful for finding the truth about the Mormon Church that I could cry at times. It made me so unhappy, and made me hate myself at times. Now I know that I am enough, and I am worthy... regardless of what anyone inside ANY church tells me.

[_harmony]

The gospel according to charity:

29 And Jesus said, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
31 And charity spake unto the Lord, saying, No it isn't.
32 And Jesus said unto the woman, Go thy way, and sin no more;
33 And charity saith, List not to the winebibber; thou must suffer exceeding pain, even descend to the depths of hell, before thou canst be forgiven.
32 And Jesus saith, Oh do shut up.

ROTFL. Okay, that is funny!