Who Will Be the NOOB in the twelve.

Post by **_dartagnan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:33 am

It is funny because I remember my MTC teacher bragging about the credentials of the apostles. And when it came to Hinckley, he said, "Well, Hinckley is there because he is humble."

Wasn't Hinckley a Church employee for most of his life? He had a less prestigious job than the others.

Post by **_Runtu** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:34 am

the road to hana wrote:You don't need to tell me about the good old boys system. I have family members who are very much part of it. There's a secret fraternal organization operating within a secret society, running a corporation, dressed up as a religion, and most of the members are none the wiser. That's it.

Yes, that's exactly it. It sounds really cynical, but that's what it is. And a certain part of the membership recognizes that's what it is, and they play the system to their advantage.

Post by **_the road to hana** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:41 am

dartagnan wrote:It is funny because I remember my MTC teacher bragging about the credentials of the apostles. And when it came to Hinckley, he said, "Well, Hinckley is there because he is humble."

Wasn't Hinckley a Church employee for most of his life? He had a less prestigious job than the others.

He was involved with communications and public relations for the church very early on, unlike some who had successful careers outside it, either in business or education. It was his idea to start presenting the endowment on film rather than exclusively with live actors.

Post by **_karl61** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:08 am

Ray A wrote:
harmony wrote:Humility. Testimony. Faith. Trustworthiness. Steadfastness. Kindness. Worthiness. Levelheadedness. Honesty. Integrity.

Those qualities aren't limited to just Mormon Royalty, Ray. Unfortunately it looks like all that's needed is a close relationship with someone else who's already in power. Those qualities mentioned above aren't even on the radar.

Harm, they have a few problems on the local level, worldwide, because thay can't choose sixth generation Mormons. I don't think it matters how spiritual a bricklayer is, or, for that matter, a crazy taxi driver. I know this isn't quite in accord with the Bible idea of selecting fishermen (different times), but to be realistic, why would they choose a convert, of say, five years, or even ten years, over a faithful generational Mormon going back generations? Even using the "logic of Mammon" (which Jesus encouraged), common sense should tell them, and anyone else, that "tested people" from "tested faithful families", would be a better choice. Simple logic, which Joseph encouraged too. I think that both logic and inspiration is at work here.

What happened to George P. Lee? It makes sense to me that they would look (first) for men with more solid foundations. Ascending to the leadership of the Mormon Church is not a light matter, and I think the leaders consider all these factors. Who would you go into battle with? A sincere boy scout, or a tested war veteran?

I would go with the crazy taxi driver -

Post by **_Rollo Tomasi** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:22 pm

christopher wrote:Write it down.....this is the next dude/noob...my bosom is burning

D. Todd Christofferson

Agreed, although I see Tingey as a dark horse.

Post by **_krose** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:26 pm

Ray A wrote:Who should I nominate? Paul Hogan?

No, Bindy!

Post by **_christopher** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:52 pm

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
christopher wrote:Write it down.....this is the next dude/noob...my bosom is burning

D. Todd Christofferson

Agreed, although I see Tingey as a dark horse.

Christofferson has the edge here strictly because of the placement of the initial BEFORE the commonly used first name,
ie, D. Todd Christofferson vs Earl C. Tingley. It is the lords way and the proper order of things.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:03 am

Jesus chose fishermen. Successful ones by the sound of it. Owning your own boat was not something to be looked down on back then. They were at least the equivalent of a small business owner today. The idea that Jesus chose very poor apostles is a myth. Truth is we don't know what most of the Apostles did for a living before he came.

Post by **_moksha** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:06 am

I suppose I would be as off base as ever to suggest that the Church needs an Apostle of Color.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:06 am

moksha wrote:I suppose I would be as off base as ever to suggest that the Church needs an Apostle of Color.

I think the Church needs Apostles that have a special witness of Christ. How that works out is really up to God. If he wants he can call all Utahans or all Jordanians until the Second Coming if he chooses to.