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Post by **_skippy the dead** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:08 am

moksha wrote:I suppose I would be as off base as ever to suggest that the Church needs an Apostle of Color.

That suggestion caused quite a furor on the other board last fall, if I recall. Such a radical idea!

Post by **_charity** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:34 am

the road to hana wrote:
Uchtdorf was chosen because he brought something to the table as a former executive at Lufthansa and Eastern European.

I really doubt discounts on Lufthansa tickets are that important. :)

Note to Shades. Any of the smilies we can make on the keyboard make us look drunk because theyare always laying down!

Post by **_Yong Xi** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:35 am

Has anyone mentioned, Kim Clark, President of BYU Idaho. He gave up his position as dean of the business school at Harvard to live in Rexburg, Idaho. I doubt he would have done that had he not had some assurances that he too could become a Mormon rockstar.

Post by **_karl61** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:55 am

I think the reason they chose a pilot to be an apostle is because if they ever open the books they will need a speedy getaway.

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:44 am

the road to hana wrote:
Ray A wrote:
harmony wrote:Humility. Testimony. Faith. Trustworthiness. Steadfastness. Kindness. Worthiness. Levelheadedness. Honesty. Integrity.

Those qualities aren't limited to just Mormon Royalty, Ray. Unfortunately it looks like all that's needed is a close relationship with someone else who's already in power. Those qualities mentioned above aren't even on the radar.

Harm, they have a few problems on the local level, worldwide, because thay can't choose sixth generation Mormons. I don't think it matters how spiritual a bricklayer is, or, for that matter, a crazy taxi driver. I know this isn't quite in accord with the Bible idea of selecting fishermen (different times), but to be realistic, why would they choose a convert, of say, five years, or even ten years, over a faithful generational Mormon going back generations? Even using the "logic of Mammon" (which Jesus encouraged), common sense should tell them, and anyone else, that "tested people" from "tested faithful families", would be a better choice. Simple logic, which Joseph encouraged too. I think that both logic and inspiration is at work here.

What happened to George P. Lee? It makes sense to me that they would look (first) for men with more solid foundations. Ascending to the leadership of the Mormon Church is not a light matter, and I think the leaders consider all these factors. Who would you go into battle with? A sincere boy scout, or a tested war veteran?

Bloodlines are important; why do you think they're focused on genealogy? Uchtdorf was chosen because he brought something to the table as a former executive at Lufthansa and Eastern European.

Bloodlines are less so now. Howard Hunter's father was not a member till he baptized him as a young man. He had not ties to anyone. Your excuse for Uchdorf is silliness and a cop out. Who is Tom Perry related to or Elder Hale or Holland or Oaks? You cannot disqualify them because they were BYU presidents. They did that much of their own work and success. Scott has no ties either that I am aware of.

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:50 am

dartagnan wrote:It is funny because I remember my MTC teacher bragging about the credentials of the apostles. And when it came to Hinckley, he said, "Well, Hinckley is there because he is humble."

Wasn't Hinckley a Church employee for most of his life? He had a less prestigious job than the others.

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Post by **_moksha** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:51 am

the road to hana wrote: Bloodlines are important; why do you think they're focused on genealogy? Uchtdorf was chosen because he brought something to the table as a former executive at Lufthansa and Eastern European.

Do you think perhaps his father once handled the Spear of Destiny?

Post by **_silentkid** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:06 pm

Sethbag wrote:Ok, well I'll put my bet on Merrill Bateman.

I'll second that vote. Master Bateman it is. ;)

Post by **_ludwigm** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:31 am

charity wrote:
the road to hana wrote:
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Note to Shades. Any of the smilies we can make on the keyboard make us look drunk because theyare always laying down!

OFF:
I'm sorry, I can't imagine You as drunk. (hehe, instead of smilie)

Post by **_Dr. Shades** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:15 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:Who is Tom Perry related to or Elder Hale or Holland or Oaks? You cannot disqualify them because they were BYU presidents. They did that much of their own work and success. Scott has no ties either that I am aware of.

They too, along with their wives, are all inter-related in several ways. It's in one of the appendices to The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power.