Sethbag wrote:I've suggested in the past that given the catalyst theory (for seerstones, or egyptian papyrus, or whatever, as you say) Joseph Smith could have "translated" a dozen donuts into some marelous scripture, and by LDS apologetic logic, that would be a good translation.
This would have been a much better idea, too, because donuts wouldn't have still been around in 1967.
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The Nehor wrote:I've mentioned before that I want a seerstone but so far God has not led me to one or honored my attempts with a random rock. I'm not sure if I'm spiritually above or beneath the use of such an object. Probably both.
I know the feeling. When I was a kid I tried to use the force to lift rocks and things, but alas, I failed every time. I'm not sure if it's because I lack faith, or my midichlorian count is too low. Probably both.
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silentkid wrote:If I recall correctly, The Nehor has some experience with seer stones. He may be able to provide an insightful answer.
I don't remember him saying anything about seer stones. I do remember him talking about kidney stones though.
I'm knowledgeable about many kinds of stones ;)
Now I'm wondering if I should try to use my kidney stone........hmmmmmm.....
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The Nehor wrote:I've mentioned before that I want a seerstone but so far God has not led me to one or honored my attempts with a random rock. I'm not sure if I'm spiritually above or beneath the use of such an object. Probably both.
I know the feeling. When I was a kid I tried to use the force to lift rocks and things, but alas, I failed every time. I'm not sure if it's because I lack faith, or my midichlorian count is too low. Probably both.
Faith and midichlorians are one and the same. As your faith increase they multiply in your blood. While Israelites are naturally born with a higher count as you grow more faithful the blood changes.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
silentkid wrote:If I recall correctly, The Nehor has some experience with seer stones. He may be able to provide an insightful answer.
I don't think the stone has any specific power. However God has used items as catalysts for revelation. The Liahona, the Urim and Thummim, the Ark, the Temples. Some would say garments, the sacrament, and consecrated oil fit in this category. I don't know if certain objects have some inherent holiness property but I doubt it. These items are not magic in the sense that they work on a simple physical principle of cause and effect. While God may require prerequisites from the user for them to work they work as he commands. In my experience demonic power is even more fickle and less dependable.
I've mentioned before that I want a seerstone but so far God has not led me to one or honored my attempts with a random rock. I'm not sure if I'm spiritually above or beneath the use of such an object. Probably both.
I used my ouiji board and it floated towards this listing on eBay for you, Nehor. I am confident it is the one for you. And at such an affordable price! ;)
Trinity, that link didn't work for me but just "seer stone" as a search on eBay returned several dozen seer stones for sale.
What a bonanza! I should order one of these, and a box of donuts, and see what I can come up with, aside from a pound of fat.
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We know from the experience of the brother of Jared and the Lehites' Liahona, that the Lord can take ordinary items and imbue them with special powers. I suspect this is the case. It takes a special treatment from the Lord, and then faith, as did the Liahona.
charity wrote:We know from the experience of the brother of Jared and the Lehites' Liahona, that the Lord can take ordinary items and imbue them with special powers. I suspect this is the case. It takes a special treatment from the Lord, and then faith, as did the Liahona.
This is kind of circular.
We know that the use of seer stones by Joseph Smith and others is of divine origin.
We know this because of the brother of Jared's experience.
And Joseph Smith is the one who gave us the brother of Jared's experience by means of a seer stone.
charity wrote:We know from the experience of the brother of Jared and the Lehites' Liahona, that the Lord can take ordinary items and imbue them with special powers. I suspect this is the case. It takes a special treatment from the Lord, and then faith, as did the Liahona.
That takes one of the top rankings for "dumbest thing charity has said in the past 24 hours".
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