FAIR, McCue, and the Law

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the road to hana wrote:
charity wrote:I know Thumper (the poster) personally. She isn't a bad person. I never knew her Thumper persona, have never seen a post under that name, but know of the reputation.


She and her evil twin Boogers went on a mad rampage on this board when it first started. Nasty stuff.


Yes, it was nasty and disruptive. Just to be fair though, my recollection is that when the first MDB went up there seemed to be a number of posters who were "high" on the prospect of free speech and let it fly on a regular basis. I remember well, my first post from Mike Norton who referred to me as "MF" (fill in your own blanks there). My main objection to Thumper/Boogers was the disruptive nature of her posts. There was more than one poster who did that. When that first board went online there was an option of registering or not. I chose not to at first because I wasn't sure about continued posting. I was surprised to see that someone had registered as two variations of my ZLMB screen name. Someone obviously trying to obstruct my posting here but it backfired because that's why I registered.

Well...it's all water under the bridge now, but this board did cause quite a stir from what I could detect.
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Post by _beastie »

I don't think refraining from saying something disgusting, insulting, demeaning is lying, even when there is something which might tend to callf for insults, disgusting comments, etc. Insults, disgusting comments, demeaning comments absolutely do not accomplish any good. It makes the person so reviled even more entrenched.


Then why do you indulge in the habit yourself?

FAIR and now MA&D aren't the same "building" as this board. MA&D is a home, a place where a "family" gather. We do invite other, non-family members into our "house." But we expect guests to behave appropriately. We don't expect them to spit on the floor, put their feet up on the furniture, or slap the hostess. When someone does these kinds of things, they are escorted out. Some of our family, become outraged and behave uncivilly back. But like family, you put up with your family.


The problem is that MAD is a "family" that slaps their "invited, non-family members" when they've accepted the invitation to come into their house. I understand that MAD is for believers, and they have the right to run their board however they want to. But they cannot simultaneously expect not to be regularly criticized when they behave the way they do in their own "house", to their own - invited - non-family member guests.
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Re: FAIR, McCue, and the Law

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charity:
Since we can't see the original article, we can just take the word of a very partisan crowd that any libelous, etc. happened? Color me skeptical. Truth is always a defense against libel, slander, etc.


Charity,

Why don’t you apply this same sort of analytical thought to all the claims of Mormon dogma for which we “can’t see the original…” for all the “original” stuff?

Humm. A selective cherry picker, you are. When it’s irrational and unsupported by documentation, but you want to believe it, you dismiss skeptical analysis. When you don’t, you want to get “skeptical.”

It’s quite disingenuous of you.

Faith based conclusions are unreliable.

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charity wrote:I think I know what you are saying is the difference bewteen MA&D and here is. Some people get toessed out of MA&D, yet others don't. You think that everyone is treated more "fairly" here. I think the problem is that you think that all boards are created equal, or at least the same.

FAIR and now MA&D aren't the same "building" as this board. MA&D is a home, a place where a "family" gather. We do invite other, non-family members into our "house." But we expect guests to behave appropriately. We don't expect them to spit on the floor, put their feet up on the furniture, or slap the hostess. When someone does these kinds of things, they are escorted out. Some of our family, become outraged and behave uncivilly back. But like family, you put up with your family.


Actually this board is more like what a family is really like. No favorites, no special treatment, no good ol' boys club. And there are no guests here. Once you sign in, you're part of the family. You become one of us.

This board is a WWF wrestling arena. No rules of manners. Hit below the belt. Screech in your face. Anything goes. No one gets kicked out. And you can stay as long as you want, but you can't complain.


Actually, it's more like an elementary school playground on occasion than a WWF wrestling match. And we complain all the time. So do you. We complain about literally everything, including each other.
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harmony wrote:
charity wrote:I think I know what you are saying is the difference bewteen MA&D and here is. Some people get toessed out of MA&D, yet others don't. You think that everyone is treated more "fairly" here. I think the problem is that you think that all boards are created equal, or at least the same.

FAIR and now MA&D aren't the same "building" as this board. MA&D is a home, a place where a "family" gather. We do invite other, non-family members into our "house." But we expect guests to behave appropriately. We don't expect them to spit on the floor, put their feet up on the furniture, or slap the hostess. When someone does these kinds of things, they are escorted out. Some of our family, become outraged and behave uncivilly back. But like family, you put up with your family.


Actually this board is more like what a family is really like. No favorites, no special treatment, no good ol' boys club. And there are no guests here. Once you sign in, you're part of the family. You become one of us.

This board is a WWF wrestling arena. No rules of manners. Hit below the belt. Screech in your face. Anything goes. No one gets kicked out. And you can stay as long as you want, but you can't complain.


Actually, it's more like an elementary school playground on occasion than a WWF wrestling match. And we complain all the time. So do you. We complain about literally everything, including each other.


Agreed, Harmony! There are no "Pundits" here. Everyone is welcome to participate in every forum.

We're one big, happy dysfunctional family. LOL

Welcome to the family, Charity. ;)

by the way, I prefer the comparison of Slytherin to Griffyndor.
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Post by _charity »

beastie wrote:
I don't think refraining from saying something disgusting, insulting, demeaning is lying, even when there is something which might tend to callf for insults, disgusting comments, etc. Insults, disgusting comments, demeaning comments absolutely do not accomplish any good. It makes the person so reviled even more entrenched.


Then why do you indulge in the habit yourself?


I have never name called. I have suggested that people are behaving in irresonsible ways, but I have never called anyone an idiot. Are you going to bring up the "words of one syllable" post again? You really ought to study up on the writings of Haim Ginnott. He had a very interesting theory on raising children, which I always followed. He said you should never characterize a person by a name, but it was often useful to call to their attention behaviors. So, instead of telling a child they were messy, but you could say, "Your room is veyr messy." You kept the behavior and the individual separate. That is what I have tried to do.

I do not call names. Just so there won't be any confusion, name calling is labeling a person with a derogatory term.

beastie wrote:[
FAIR and now MA&D aren't the same "building" as this board. MA&D is a home, a place where a "family" gather. We do invite other, non-family members into our "house." But we expect guests to behave appropriately. We don't expect them to spit on the floor, put their feet up on the furniture, or slap the hostess. When someone does these kinds of things, they are escorted out. Some of our family, become outraged and behave uncivilly back. But like family, you put up with your family.


The problem is that MAD is a "family" that slaps their "invited, non-family members" when they've accepted the invitation to come into their house. I understand that MAD is for believers, and they have the right to run their board however they want to. But they cannot simultaneously expect not to be regularly criticized when they behave the way they do in their own "house", to their own - invited - non-family member guests.


Accpe the invitaiton, but don't spit on the floor, put your feet on the furniture or slap the hostess around! An invitation is not carte blanche to engage in rude behavior. There are non-member posters over on MA&D who understand that and get along fine with everybody. They don't agree with us, but they can express their disagreement politely. What I can't for the life of me see is why anybody has to be rude and hostile. I have never seen a poster on MA&D suspended or banned without being really, really rude. The best argument they can come back with is, "Well, when I called somebody a liar they called me a liar back. I got banned and they didn't. " The guy who draws first is the bad guy. That is our Western heritage.
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I have never name called. I have suggested that people are behaving in irresonsible ways, but I have never called anyone an idiot. Are you going to bring up the "words of one syllable" post again? You really ought to study up on the writings of Haim Ginnott. He had a very interesting theory on raising children, which I always followed. He said you should never characterize a person by a name, but it was often useful to call to their attention behaviors. So, instead of telling a child they were messy, but you could say, "Your room is veyr messy." You kept the behavior and the individual separate. That is what I have tried to do.

I do not call names. Just so there won't be any confusion, name calling is labeling a person with a derogatory term.


That's rich. You telling me you need to "dumb down" your posts for me and use words of "shorter syllables" wasn't calling me dumb. Sure, charity.

Accpe the invitaiton, but don't spit on the floor, put your feet on the furniture or slap the hostess around! An invitation is not carte blanche to engage in rude behavior. There are non-member posters over on MA&D who understand that and get along fine with everybody. They don't agree with us, but they can express their disagreement politely. What I can't for the life of me see is why anybody has to be rude and hostile. I have never seen a poster on MA&D suspended or banned without being really, really rude. The best argument they can come back with is, "Well, when I called somebody a liar they called me a liar back. I got banned and they didn't. " The guy who draws first is the bad guy. That is our Western heritage.


You repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. I was once banned and hadn't been "really, really rude". Truth Dancer was banned and was NEVER rude. AND posters who haven't even posted lately get banned - for being critics. You really are speaking out of ignorance, whether deliberate or accidental, I don't know. AND LDS posters are often "really, really rude" without getting banned - like Juliann.
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Post by _harmony »

charity wrote:Accpe the invitaiton, but don't spit on the floor, put your feet on the furniture or slap the hostess around! An invitation is not carte blanche to engage in rude behavior. There are non-member posters over on MA&D who understand that and get along fine with everybody. They don't agree with us, but they can express their disagreement politely. What I can't for the life of me see is why anybody has to be rude and hostile. I have never seen a poster on MA&D suspended or banned without being really, really rude. The best argument they can come back with is, "Well, when I called somebody a liar they called me a liar back. I got banned and they didn't. " The guy who draws first is the bad guy. That is our Western heritage.


To this I have two words: Dill Pickles.
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harmony wrote:
charity wrote:Accpe the invitaiton, but don't spit on the floor, put your feet on the furniture or slap the hostess around! An invitation is not carte blanche to engage in rude behavior. There are non-member posters over on MA&D who understand that and get along fine with everybody. They don't agree with us, but they can express their disagreement politely. What I can't for the life of me see is why anybody has to be rude and hostile. I have never seen a poster on MA&D suspended or banned without being really, really rude. The best argument they can come back with is, "Well, when I called somebody a liar they called me a liar back. I got banned and they didn't. " The guy who draws first is the bad guy. That is our Western heritage.


To this I have two words: Dill Pickles.


You aren't announcing anything to do with cravings of pregnancy are you? I thought you were grandmother age.
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Post by _charity »

beastie wrote:
I have never name called. I have suggested that people are behaving in irresonsible ways, but I have never called anyone an idiot. Are you going to bring up the "words of one syllable" post again? You really ought to study up on the writings of Haim Ginnott. He had a very interesting theory on raising children, which I always followed. He said you should never characterize a person by a name, but it was often useful to call to their attention behaviors. So, instead of telling a child they were messy, but you could say, "Your room is veyr messy." You kept the behavior and the individual separate. That is what I have tried to do.

I do not call names. Just so there won't be any confusion, name calling is labeling a person with a derogatory term.


That's rich. You telling me you need to "dumb down" your posts for me and use words of "shorter syllables" wasn't calling me dumb. Sure, charity.

Accpe the invitaiton, but don't spit on the floor, put your feet on the furniture or slap the hostess around! An invitation is not carte blanche to engage in rude behavior. There are non-member posters over on MA&D who understand that and get along fine with everybody. They don't agree with us, but they can express their disagreement politely. What I can't for the life of me see is why anybody has to be rude and hostile. I have never seen a poster on MA&D suspended or banned without being really, really rude. The best argument they can come back with is, "Well, when I called somebody a liar they called me a liar back. I got banned and they didn't. " The guy who draws first is the bad guy. That is our Western heritage.


You repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. I was once banned and hadn't been "really, really rude". Truth Dancer was banned and was NEVER rude. AND posters who haven't even posted lately get banned - for being critics. You really are speaking out of ignorance, whether deliberate or accidental, I don't know. AND LDS posters are often "really, really rude" without getting banned - like Juliann.


I don't watch every post on MA&D.. I have known of quite a few people who were banned. And I never saw one that wasn't banned without have been really rude. And then some of them come over here and demonstrate just how rude they can be, but you don't think they were on MA&D?

And about being critical. You can be critical without being offensive.

Anyone can say they don't believe in the foundational stories of the Church, without calling everyone involved a con man, deluded, delusional and a pedophile.
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