Imwashingmypirate wrote:I am not suggesting all slappers have been in such a situation. But I am suggesting that most women hthat have been in such a situation are dirty whether physically or in there mind, but then there are also women who are the complete opposite that have been in this situation. it depends on how it comes out. I am just looking for something to back my claim up.
I just have a comment as it relates to you labeling some women "dirty". Do you think that may be you judging them in some way? Where do you think this thought came from? I see this in LDS mentality quite a bit.
I've seen it from ex-Mos and Mos alike. That a woman that enjoys sexual intercourse is dirty. Are women not supposed to seek out male partners if she desires intimacy or just a good wiggle in the sack?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PSYCHOSOCIAL+AND+BEHAVIORAL+MEASURES+AMONG+FEMALE+ADOLESCENT+VICTIMS...-a065640240 wrote:Abstract: Adolescent females in a rural southern state who were sexually active were compared with adolescent females who met inclusion criteria for sexual abuse on seven behavioral measures. Victimization comparisons utilized the classification categories based upon the identity of the perpetrator; immediate family Immediate family Term used in the NASD rules of fair practice to refer to one's parents, brothers, sisters, children, relatives supported financially, father-in-law, mother-in-law, sister-in-law, and brother-in-law. member (N=316), boyfriend (N=237), external family member (N=60), and other or stranger (N=143). Risky profiles utilizing odds ratios showed that the victimized group where perpetrators were immediate family members only differed from the sexually active group on risk for pregnancy. The other perpetrator groups showed increased risk for most of the seven measures. Implications for developing intake criteria to review for sexual abuse history using the presence of risk factors is discussed.
Due to the frequency of sexual abuse, its sequelae have been studied extensively. Studies have shown that a number of factors have been associated with the effects of sexual abuse in children and adolescents, including: truancy, depression, inappropriate sexual behavior, substance abuse, and pregnancy (Nagy, Adcock & Nagy 1994; Green, 1996; Finkelhor, 1994). Problematic in interpreting much of this research has been the methodologic limitations of sampling from clinical populations and the varing definition among researchers of sexual abuse terminology (Green 1996; Paradise, Rose, Sleeper & Nathanson, 1994). Methodological and sampling issues have provided an inconsistent framework from which clinical personnel can apply findings to medical, school and community settings. These issues make it difficult to clearly distinguish which factors may assist in the identification of youngsters who have been victims of sexual abuse. All victims of sexual abuse do not necessarily need psychotherapy however, it is generally agreed that victims would benefit from professional counseling to ensure appropriate coping from victimization.
Mon, this is not what I am suggesting. If that is what women want to do that is fine. If rape victims wish to do it, that is there choice. i am just merely stating that most abused women are much more inclined to be dirty than non abused women.
Pirate, that above diagram is from the article (I've linked it below) that deals with those that SEXUALLY ABUSE OTHERS! It also states it deals with MALES! I'm not saying that women experience trauma and may not have certain behaviors that are a result of this trauma-- yet, that above you link and the picture has NOTHING to do with women or victims. That deals with the VICTIMIZERS!
There is NO doubt that women may act out sexually, may shy away from men, become depressed etc... (I'm not arguing that point with you!) -- I just am having difficulty with your broad brush of these women. I think they all react differently - at one point in their lives they may act one way and at another a different way. I also take issue with you labeling their behavior "dirty". I just do!
I can go into detail with that, but I'm thinking I may get a bit uppity, and I'd rather not. ;)
Imwashingmypirate wrote: I mean people that have been sexually abused or rapes most often become very sexually inclined. Not all cases but most. Some cases where this does not happen is usually when religion or upbringing doesn't socially allow it and then they revert the opposite way and find all sexual things dirty. So they either become dirty themselves or they fear being dirty.
For example, the gender stereotype of men being perceived as in control, unemotional, and able to protect themselves from physical threat was the crucial element in the attribution of blame for male victims (Howard, 1984a). Male victims incurred blame for being assaulted when they failed to behave consistently with this gender stereotype, particularly when the observers held traditional gender role attitudes. In contrast, female victims were assigned more blame for an attack because of specific aspects of their character. Female victims perceived as passive, vulnerable, and/or sexual were attributed more responsibility for an assault. This tendency to assign more blame is more prominent among observers who hold traditional rather than egalitarian gender-role attitudes, regardless of whether the observer is male or female.
Ok. I surrender. I am not explaining myself very well. I know a woman that might be able to tell me how to put what I mean in better words. She just might think I am a little insane though. Just for the record though. I posted the cycle because it is common that males who abuse have been abused them self and it begins with them forgetting parts of their own personal experiences.
NOT all women are dirty. Not all raped or abused women are dirty. But they generally need to feel loved and they do so by trying it on with every male they come across and have no boundaries and even try to destroy other womens relationships. BUT NOT ALL!!!
I would say it's difficult for people who were raised in the LDS culture to get beyond thinking that women with multiple partners are dirty or damaged. It's just too deeply engrained in LDS thought. Men with multiple partners are a bit more complex, perhaps due to the LDS history of polygamy. I am not saying that the LDS church today condones men with multiple partners, but there is less inclination to see them as dirty or damaged - just too weak to resist their natural impulses (those same natural impulses were often used to explain the need for polygamy in the first place).
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
OK. I am sorry mon. I am just not really experienced in the dept of running after males and I don't really find the need to. I just make assumptions I guess. It is what I see around me. I see women that are raped and constrained by religion are less likely to go out chasing after men that rape victims that are not religious but those women that are religious in there mind would be like that. I know this because a friend who was raped told me she thinks that way and she can't help it. I guess I wouldn't really know until I got out there, which I do not intend to do any time soon. But there are also women that hate the idea of anything sexual after being raped.
Imwashingmypirate wrote:OK. I am sorry mon. I am just not really experienced in the dept of running after males and I don't really find the need to. I just make assumptions I guess. It is what I see around me. I see women that are raped and constrained by religion are less likely to go out chasing after men that rape victims that are not religious but those women that are religious in there mind would be like that. I know this because a friend who was raped told me she thinks that way and she can't help it. I guess I wouldn't really know until I got out there, which I do not intend to do any time soon. But there are also women that hate the idea of anything sexual after being raped.
