RebelYell wrote:Not that it matters to me, but isn't Uchtdorf as little "young" and "green" to be in the FP? It seems to me that he was just called as an Apostle a couple of years ago.
I think that's the point. The church has a reputation of being a bit geriatric and behind the times, so some young blood in the FP brings some modernism (word?) to the church. I would also think it grooms him for some heavy duty future importance in the church.
At age 67 Elder Uchtdorf is considerably older than Elder Monson was when called into the first presiency at age 58.
Exactly my point. As the "senior" apostles pass, there will be a younger apostle that has had the experience needed to lead the church
And about some future importance in the Church. As a member of the first presidency, the only higher importance is the propeht.
That's my point.
This comes to the person who is the senior apostle at the time of the death of the current prophet. Nine apostles are in line ahead of Elder Uchtdorf. And Elder Bednar is 12 years younger than Elder Uchtdorf
Again, my point. Obviously Uchtdorf is a golden child.
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
RebelYell wrote:Not that it matters to me, but isn't Uchtdorf as little "young" and "green" to be in the FP? It seems to me that he was just called as an Apostle a couple of years ago.
I think that's the point. The church has a reputation of being a bit geriatric and behind the times, so some young blood in the FP brings some modernism (word?) to the church. I would also think it grooms him for some heavy duty future importance in the church.
At age 67 Elder Uchtdorf is considerably older than Elder Monson was when called into the first presiency at age 58.
Exactly my point. As the "senior" apostles pass, there will be a younger apostle that has had the experience needed to lead the church
And about some future importance in the Church. As a member of the first presidency, the only higher importance is the propeht.
That's my point.
This comes to the person who is the senior apostle at the time of the death of the current prophet. Nine apostles are in line ahead of Elder Uchtdorf. And Elder Bednar is 12 years younger than Elder Uchtdorf
Again, my point. Obviously Uchtdorf is a golden child.
And my point was, that given the circumstances and ages of all parties concerned, I would think it is highly doubtful that Elder Uchtdorf will ever be the senrior apostle.
But I certainly hold Elder Uchtdorf in very high esteem.
RebelYell wrote:Not that it matters to me, but isn't Uchtdorf as little "young" and "green" to be in the FP? It seems to me that he was just called as an Apostle a couple of years ago.
I think that's the point. The church has a reputation of being a bit geriatric and behind the times, so some young blood in the FP brings some modernism (word?) to the church. I would also think it grooms him for some heavy duty future importance in the church.
Uchtdorf is a good choice; it brings some balance to the ticket. (*insert smilie*)
Monson was in publishing and media, Eyring was in science, and Uchtdorf was in aviation. Monson has background in Canada and Uchtdorf brings in his background as a native European, which makes for the first time a First Presidency that has something more than just a Utah-based composition.
I'd have thought Oaks might have been named a counselor this go-round, but it seems to me the choices are good ones.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
charity wrote:And my point was, that given the circumstances and ages of all parties concerned, I would think it is highly doubtful that Elder Uchtdorf will ever be the senrior apostle.
But I certainly hold Elder Uchtdorf in very high esteem.
Okay, I see. But who really knows when a younger apostle (and by younger as it relates to the twelve, that could be around 80!) may die before another? Of course, only God knows, right? So if he is inspiring the choices, maybe "He" has his reasons....?
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
charity wrote:And my point was, that given the circumstances and ages of all parties concerned, I would think it is highly doubtful that Elder Uchtdorf will ever be the senrior apostle.
But I certainly hold Elder Uchtdorf in very high esteem.
Okay, I see. But who really knows when a younger apostle (and by younger as it relates to the twelve, that could be around 80!) may die before another? Of course, only God knows, right? So if he is inspiring the choices, maybe "He" has his reasons....?
That is the way it was explained to me. The prophet is really chosen at the time a man is called to be an apostle. Then after that, the Lord controls because He is the one who determines when you die.
bcspace wrote:I particularly enjoyed the press conference where several antiMormon style questions were asked. Monson handled them beautifully. In particular, there is no room for disagreement with the Church on doctrine ....
What? There is no room for disagreement with the church on docftrine???? What was he thinking?
So, what's the deal with Packer and Oaks getting passed over? Where in the hierarchy does Oaks stand exactly, if anyone knows?
bcspace wrote:I particularly enjoyed the press conference where several antiMormon style questions were asked. Monson handled them beautifully. In particular, there is no room for disagreement with the Church on doctrine ....
What? There is no room for disagreement with the church on docftrine???? What was he thinking?
So, what's the deal with Packer and Oaks getting passed over? Where in the hierarchy does Oaks stand exactly, if anyone knows?
They're not getting "passed over." They are still in line the same as all the 12. They just have different roles in the whole hierarchy now, but depending on who lives the longest, they'll take their seat as "prophet" when the time comes.
(Man, do I sound like an apologist now?????)
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche