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CaliforniaKid wrote:
ludwigm wrote:
CaliforniaKid wrote: ... Dr. Peterson's quote about no horse bones having been found in "the entire empire" of the Huns ...
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Any way there are buried hun horses in Hungary. ...
Hi ludwig,
Are there actual horse bones at most of these sites?


Yes.
Horse bones with saddlery remains, and the rider's bones with jewels and/or weapons.

Typical way of burying.
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Something concrete, in my (very) raw and short translations:

http://mek.oszk.hu/02100/02115/html/3-1378.html

"Honfoglaló magyar sírokból azonban nem kerültek elő egész lócsontvázak, csupán az állat feje és lábcsontjai. Sok sírban csak a lószerszámot helyezték az elhunyt mellé."

In ancient hungarian graves we didn't found horse skeletons as a whole, only the head and leg bones. Many times there was only the harnesses.

http://www.detk.hu/muzeum.htm

"A halotti szertartás során az elhúnyt lovát megölték, majd bőrét oly módon nyúzták le, hogy fejét és lábait benne hagyták. A bőrt a halott bal oldalára helyezték. A halottat díszruhába öltöztették , fegyvereit mellé rakták."

The horse of the deceased was killed, in the horse skin has remained the head and the leg bones. The dead person was clothed to full dress and his weapons was placed here.

http://xantus.gymsmuzeum.hu/magyar/441.html

"A Szarvas-75. sz. (Rózsási halom) topográfiai lelőhelyen eddig feltárt avar temetőben 6 lovas temetkezés vált ismertté. E temetéseknek az a típusa volt megfigyelhető, amikor az ember és a ló sírja nagyobb távolságra volt egymástól. Az embersírok tájolása ÉNY-DK, míg a lovaké DK-ÉNY. Minden esetben a lovak felszerszámozva, míg az elhunyt emberek jórészt övvereteikkel voltak eltemetve. A temetkezés kora a VIII-IX. század fordulójára keltezhető."

There (Rózsási halom) were six burying with horses. The human graves was beared NW-SE, the horses the opposite, with distance. The horses was harnessed, the riders was buried with belt mounting.

http://www.puszta.com/hun/hungary/cikk/kunok

"A kunok temetkezési szokásáról a kun temetők leletei tanúskodnak. Mint lovasnomád nép a lovas temetkezést gyakorolták, azaz a lovat egy sírba temették gazdájával. Előfordul, hogy csupán néhány lócsont, vagy szerszám (kengyel, zabla) jelzi a lovas temetkezés kultuszát; esetleg a lovat kitömött lóbőr helyettesíti."

kun = hun !!

Hun graveyards : burying the people with their horses. Many times there are only a few horse bone, or bow and wit, or maybe the horse skin only.


http://www.bordany.hu/pages/varos_al.aspx?id=1527098

" ...lovas temetkezés (ló csontok) gazdagon díszített lószerszám ..."

burying with horses, (horse bones), rich decorated harness

http://lexikon.katolikus.hu/LINKEK/LINK ... URDES.HTML

"lovas temetkezés: a holttest →lóval együtt történő eltemetése. - Mint a lovas népeknél ált., az ősmagyaroknál is szokás volt. A honfogaláskori sírokból azonban nem került elő teljes ló csontváz, csak koponya és lábszárcsontok. - A kunok előkelő halottaikat felöltöztetve, lóra ültetve temették, a gazdagok mellé hű szolgájukat is (elevenen) eltemették"

burying with horses, the riches was buried sitting on the horse, their slaves are (alive) buried with

http://jam.nyirbone.hu/konyvtar/evkonyv ... orosI.html

Summary:
- burying with horses in 38 place
- all in all 78 grave with horses
- 51 of them are men, 14 of them women, one child, 12 are unknown
- harnessed horses 26
- horse skin in 35 case
- there is a map of the area with buried horses

Image

http://www.gothic.hu/gothic.html?http:/ ... enet2.html
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Wow, ludwig! Thanks! I am definitely going to have to look into this further.
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Ludwig,

That is very useful information. I'd like to use it on my website and attribute the research to you, unless you'd prefer I not. Otherwise, how shall I refer to you? An hungarian poster named ludwig?

And Chris, I'm going to use the information from Schmidt, too, and recognize you for attaining the texts. Shall I use your real name? Runtu, same question to you regarding the translation.

Thanks! Teamwork is great!
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beastie wrote:Ludwig,
That is very useful information. I'd like to use it on my website and attribute the research to you, unless you'd prefer I not. Otherwise, how shall I refer to you? An hungarian poster named ludwig?
And Chris, I'm going to use the information from Schmidt, too, and recognize you for attaining the texts. Shall I use your real name? Runtu, same question to you regarding the translation.
Thanks! Teamwork is great!


I would be a hungarian poster named attila_the_hun. (hehe)
There were more hungarian site, the above are a few of hundreds. The map is one county of H (the NE corner of us). It is about 3000 sq km, the 1/30 of our country. I think there are many more grave of this type...
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beastie wrote:Ludwig,

That is very useful information. I'd like to use it on my website and attribute the research to you, unless you'd prefer I not. Otherwise, how shall I refer to you? An hungarian poster named ludwig?

And Chris, I'm going to use the information from Schmidt, too, and recognize you for attaining the texts. Shall I use your real name? Runtu, same question to you regarding the translation.

Thanks! Teamwork is great!


Yeah, use my real name. Citing "CaliforniaKid" doesn't sound very impressive. ;-)
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beastie wrote:Ludwig,

That is very useful information. I'd like to use it on my website and attribute the research to you, unless you'd prefer I not. Otherwise, how shall I refer to you? An hungarian poster named ludwig?

And Chris, I'm going to use the information from Schmidt, too, and recognize you for attaining the texts. Shall I use your real name? Runtu, same question to you regarding the translation.

Thanks! Teamwork is great!


You're perfectly welcome to use my real name.
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Thanks, guys, although it will take me a bit to get the time to put it together.

(and color me clueless that I don't know if ludwig was serious about attilla the hun!!)
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beastie wrote:Thanks, guys, although it will take me a bit to get the time to put it together.
(and color me clueless that I don't know if ludwig was serious about attilla the hun!!)


You shouldn't bat out! At the weekend, I will make more digging. The citations above are only ad hoc selections from a few hundred URL produced by Google. In Hungary, many small village has little local museum, one or two room, handled by "aunt Mary from third house right to the grocery, she gives you the key if you can find her". Today, they have an internet site. We can reach them hundreds in a quarter, instead of a fortnight travel.

You may use the name Ludwig. In fact, I have a working "attilathehun@<guesswhat>.hu email address.
You know, Hungary begins with Hun. We have a myth about divine brothers named Hunor and Magor. Hunor is the forefather of the Huns, Magor is the forefather of the "magyarok" (=hungarians).
As I have german ancestors, too, my nickname the Ludwig is the german version of my baptismal name Lajos. (We don't call it first name, because we write the family name first!)

http://www.answers.com/topic/ludwig-1 wrote:Ludwig
Gender: Masculine
Usage: German
Pronounced: LOOT-vik, LUD-wig
From the Germanic name Hludwig which meant "famous warrior", composed of the elements hlud "fame" and wig "warrior". This was the name of three Merovingian kings of the Franks, though their names are usually spelled in the Latinized form Clovis. Other famous bearers include the German composer Ludwig van Beethoven and the Austrian philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein, who contributed to logic and the philosophy of language.
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Great! I look forward to your diggings!!!!
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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