The unbelieving Fifth Column

[_charity]

Oh, believe me, I know Mormons are FINE with anyone as long as they KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT.

But Will is talking about ferreting out people. He wouldn’t have to ferret them out if they were openly TEACHING their naughty ideas.

I wasn't talking abouit ferreting out anyone. Private apostacy does not hurt people. Public apostacy does. There is not need to "ferret out" the public apostates.

Runtu asked:

So, expressing an opinion equals "teaching"?

Charity replied:

Yes.

Oh for heaven’s sake.

You talk, you teach. Pretty basic.

Charity:

The ones who are hiding their real attitudes, the ones who are pretending to be someting they aren't, don't threaten all I believe and hold dear. They can't threaten me. But they are attacking the Church and damaging others. They aren't my enemy. They are an enemy to God.

For all you know, the Evs are right and it’s Mormonism that is an enemy to God.

Tee hee.

And that belief, by the way, is how some of them justify their obnoxious behavior. See, when you label someone an “enemy of God” then any sort of bad behavior is justified towards them. You’re just fighting Satan, after all.

That may be your opinion. Not mine.

[_charity]

But who are you to judge or know? Or Will? Of course I would have an issue with someone sneaking and trying to lead others away. I have questions, concerns and doubts but I have only expressed them to my SP and some very close friends. A few others have asked some probing questions of me about things they wonder about and I refuse to discuss some things with them so I do not sow seeds of doubt. They have to figure things out on their own. But the thing is you and Will do not know anyone's heart and mind really and the Church has a system in place for these things. Self appointed prosecutors are dangerous. I have had some experience dealing with people who are quick to jump on the band wagon when they perceive unorthodox situations and they more often then not are wrong in their conclusions. It takes patience and a cautious and measured approach when dealing with such issue. Some members can be to quick to burn someone at the stake and this is plain wrong.

I wish you had read and pasted the parts of my posts where I said repeatedly, I do not judge!

[_Sethbag]

Yeah, you do not judge. You just pronounce people Enemies of God.

WTF.

[_beastie]

Unawareness of her own behavior is one of charity's most striking characteristics.

[_Pokatator]

But who are you to judge or know? Or Will? Of course I would have an issue with someone sneaking and trying to lead others away. I have questions, concerns and doubts but I have only expressed them to my SP and some very close friends. A few others have asked some probing questions of me about things they wonder about and I refuse to discuss some things with them so I do not sow seeds of doubt. They have to figure things out on their own. But the thing is you and Will do not know anyone's heart and mind really and the Church has a system in place for these things. Self appointed prosecutors are dangerous. I have had some experience dealing with people who are quick to jump on the band wagon when they perceive unorthodox situations and they more often then not are wrong in their conclusions. It takes patience and a cautious and measured approach when dealing with such issue. Some members can be to quick to burn someone at the stake and this is plain wrong.

I wish you had read and pasted the parts of my posts where I said repeatedly, I do not judge!

Charity, your ignorance may be bliss for you but it isn't for me. You portray judge, jury and executioner.

[_Ren]

This is similar to saying "It's not me that says that homosexuality is an abomination - the Bible does".
It'd be like me saying: "I don't say their isn't a God. Richard Dawkins does..."

For goodness sake, just take some responsibility for what you believe - and what you say.


Charity doesn't judge huh? Priceless.
...next week - why kangaroos don't 'really' hop.

[_Jason Bourne]

But who are you to judge or know? Or Will? Of course I would have an issue with someone sneaking and trying to lead others away. I have questions, concerns and doubts but I have only expressed them to my SP and some very close friends. A few others have asked some probing questions of me about things they wonder about and I refuse to discuss some things with them so I do not sow seeds of doubt. They have to figure things out on their own. But the thing is you and Will do not know anyone's heart and mind really and the Church has a system in place for these things. Self appointed prosecutors are dangerous. I have had some experience dealing with people who are quick to jump on the band wagon when they perceive unorthodox situations and they more often then not are wrong in their conclusions. It takes patience and a cautious and measured approach when dealing with such issue. Some members can be to quick to burn someone at the stake and this is plain wrong.

I wish you had read and pasted the parts of my posts where I said repeatedly, I do not judge!

I must have missed it due to all your judgmental remark.

[Guest]

Yeah, you do not judge. You just pronounce people Enemies of God.

I describe behaviors, which according to the scriputres, identify people in certain ways. If people want to evaluate their own behaviors and find that they fit the description, that is up to them. You see it happening here all the time. I make a statement that does not accuse anyone specifically, and somebody jumps up and says, "How dare you say that about me."
They are the ones who identify themselves.

Unawareness of her own behavior is one of charity's most striking characteristics.

Not at all. I evaluate myself all the time. I also look and see what the characteristics are of those who criticize me.

Charity, your ignorance may be bliss for you but it isn't for me. You portray judge, jury and executioner.

I wish you would post examples when you make claims like this. Otherwise, it is just foam.

This is similar to saying "It's not me that says that homosexuality is an abomination - the Bible does".
It'd be like me saying: "I don't say their isn't a God. Richard Dawkins does..."

For goodness sake, just take some responsibility for what you believe - and what you say.

Homosexuality is an abomination because God has said so. I believe that. Happy now?"

Charity doesn't judge huh? Priceless.
...next week - why kangaroos don't 'really' hop.

All I know about people on the board is what they say. And I don't get to judge. Nobody is going to be called before a Church court because of what I see on the board. I don't go to anyone' s bishop to tattle on anti-Mormon rantings. I don't get to judge, even if I wanted to.

I must have missed it due to all your judgmental remark.

I wish you would quote me directly, so I could see what you are talking about.

[Guest]

Homosexuality is an abomination because God has said so. I believe that. Happy now?

Not quite. I need you to say the "I don't say that homosexuality is an abomination..." bit as well.
...then your admission to not taking responsibly for what you believe and say will be complete.

Hint: Even if God did exist and he declared it an abomination, nobody is FORCED to agree.. It's part and parcel of having agency.

I don't get to judge, even if I wanted to.

You get to 'look' like you are judging - for all intents and purposes, but as far as you're concerned you can't technically be judging.
Nice trick if you can get away if it. And if people are gullible enough to buy it.

Nobody is going to be called before a Church court because of what I see on the board.

You don't have to haul people into a church court to judge them.

I don't go to anyone' s bishop to tattle on anti-Mormon rantings.

And you don't have to go to a bishop and 'tattle-tale' on your fellows to judge them either.


You really think that the principle of 'Judge not, lest ye be judged' is only applicable to people with the relevant ecclesiastical authority?!

[_charity]

Homosexuality is an abomination because God has said so. I believe that. Happy now?

Not quite. I need you to say the "I don't say that homosexuality is an abomination..." bit as well.
...then your admission to not taking responsibly for what you believe and say will be complete.

Hint: Even if God did exist and he declared it an abomination, nobody is FORCED to agree.. It's part and parcel of having agency. [/quote]

I am happy to take responsibility for what I believe. Homosexuality is an abomination. I said it. I am not going to play your little game of dancing around on the issue. If you want to say I don't take responsbility, you are out of luck.