Charitys offensive comments from the anonymity thread

[_BishopRic]

I voted no. I don't find them offensive. I hardly ever agree with her....wait....I never agree with her, but she doesn't offend me.

Mercury....you really need to let this stuff roll off your back a little bit. Don't take these boards so serious. Have you ever read "The Four Agreements"? It may be helpful for you to do that. :-)

I agree. Charity, like other religious zealots, is just projecting what she believes to be truth. Religion has a way of answering all questions. It divides people into the good and the evil. She just plays that out. She's doing the best she can with what she "knows."

How can that offend if we understand where she's coming from?

[_beastie]

I agree. Charity, like other religious zealots, is just projecting what she believes to be truth. Religion has a way of answering all questions. It divides people into the good and the evil. She just plays that out. She's doing the best she can with what she "knows."

How can that offend if we understand where she's coming from?

Understanding where she comes from is how we know she means to offend. It's just that she thinks those who she is offending deserve it, and she's just telling the 'truth'.

Certainly most of us don't take her, or anyone espousing this particular notion, seriously enough to actually FEEL hurt of offended. But that doesn't mean her comments are not meant to offend. They are.

[_harmony]

But neither is she spotless, as she likes to portray herself. As long as she keeps lecturing others on bad behavior, I'll keep reminding her of her own.

This is where the rubber hits the road.

If a person really lives the gospel, the behavior charity exhibits is not only not present, but would be abhorrent to them. They'd be horrified if someone thought they were being unkind, condescending, or behaving like a jerk. I don't see that in charity (I don't see it in myself either, but I never claimed to be spotless).

[_Jason Bourne]

A very wise person said to me that we are not required to give Satan equal time, in the interest of being "fair."

I believe it was Elder Packer in his infamous "Mantle" speech to church educators.

People keep guessing wrong. It was an elderly lady in a ward I was in 30 years ago.

Also people may rant about the doctrine, it is correct. 2 Ne. 10: 16 Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God.

There are two ways person can fight against God. By teaching there is no God at all, or by teaching that the truths He has revealed are not of valuie.

Sorry if you don't like that.

1 Ne. 16: 1-3 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear. And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, he guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.

The world is such a simple and perfect place when you know you are right about everything and that you believe you have the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Merc, you are the enemy man. Even for you kids. I would imagine that Charity views you as unfit to father them due to your apostasy.

[_Tori]

I voted no. I don't find them offensive. I hardly ever agree with her....wait....I never agree with her, but she doesn't offend me.

Mercury....you really need to let this stuff roll off your back a little bit. Don't take these boards so serious. Have you ever read "The Four Agreements"? It may be helpful for you to do that. :-)

Have you ever read the book "how mercury does not give a s***"?

Oh, you give a s***, allright. If you didn't, you wouldn't have started this thread.

Sheesh, if we brought up every thing that Charity writes that is annoying, self-righteous, sanctimonious and judgemental....That's all we'd have on this board! Everytime I read a post of her's, I just shake my head, rub my eyes, amazed that someone can think and be like that.

Is it offensive? I guess to each his own. We can take offense at everything if we choose to. I just think that taking offense is so negative and plays right into the hands of TBM's that just love to label people especially EXMO's. We are all so bitter and negative, dontchya know.

[_charity]

Charity, even if you believe the words you've cited here are God's (and not Joseph Smith's), how is it that you have so little introspection that you actually fail to see when you are rude, disrespectful, or give offense?

I know there are people who "take offense." I will give the three reasons why, in my opinion.l

1. I can inadvertently say something that someone can take offense from. I am not always tactful. I said I apologize for those thing.
2. Someone reads a post of mine and they assume I am talking about them when I am not, and they say, "How dare you say that to ME!" That is their fault. If they identify themselves in what I said when I wasn't talking about them, tht is their own perception.
3. They hear "hard things" as in that passage of scripture from 1 Nephi. They don't like to hear what they are doing wrong. I really was intending to say something about them, and they recognized it and hated it.

So I am guilty 33% of the time. And I do apologize for that.

Muslims don't apologize for the truth, either.

No one should apologize for the truth as they understand it. One of the problems with the modern thining is that there are many truths which conflict with each other, but hey, that's okay. No, it isn't.

I really don't get all that offended when people say I'm of Satan or the devil. I think it could be seen as rude and offensive -- but it doesn't personally bother me. That'd be like them telling me that I'm just an egg in the Easter Bunnies basket. It's such a "okey dokey" moment -- who cares? It shows how she views others, yet really does anyone that she directs this to actually think they're of Satan?

I have never said I think people are of Satan or the devil in their own attitudes about themselves. I think some peoplea re unwittingly and unkowningly advancing Satan's work. Just like Rush Limbaugh opposes all measure to limit where people can smoke because he believes it infringes on people's freedom to make their own choices. Does this mean he is pro-cancer? Not at all, but he is unwittingly allowing behavior which will increase cancer.

I think this is what happens with many people's attitudes toward religious truth. They have some reason for teaching, preaching, etc. what they do. They aren't knowingly teaching false ideas which lead people away from God, but it has the same end result.

Now when she throws the "slut" term about I get pissy. ;)

I didn't do that. I quoted a passage of scripture where the Lord revealed something to a prophet.

Re: Charitys offensive comments from the anonymity thread
charity wrote:
There are two reasons why people are offended. One, if someone is really offensive, rude, disgusting, blasphemous, profane, etc.

That's right. The fact is you only see yourself in the second category, and not in the first, which shows complete lack of introspection.

Do you even bother to read what I write all the way through? Or do you go blind with the first thing you can possibly take offense at? I have said more than once, I can be tactless and I apologize!

charity said Quote:
A very wise person said to me that we are not required to give Satan equal time, in the interest of being "fair."

That was just her opinion. Why do you believe her? 30 years ago, elderly Mormons believed lots of crazy things which we now know are not doctrine. A Mormon who was elderly in the 1970s probably grew up in the church in the 1920s. Imagine the types of "doctrine" she learned.

I don't happen to think that was crazy. I think it is true. Why would we think it was smart to expose ourselves to dangerous and possibly fatal things? That makes no sense Old Testament me.

No, her comments weren't offensive. They're sad, and I pity her.

Thanks. But you can save your pirty for someone who really needs it.

I voted no. I don't find them offensive. I hardly ever agree with her....wait....I never agree with her, but she doesn't offend me.

Mercury....you really need to let this stuff roll off your back a little bit.

Thanks, Tori. Exactly. If you don't think you fit the description, then don't get upset by it.

charity wrote:
people keep guessing wrong. It was an elderly lady in a ward I was in 30 years ago.

And why was she qualified to declare doctrine?

I don't think that is doctrine. Just a nice, pragmatic practice. Like planting fruit trees wherever you go.

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There are two ways person can fight against God. By teaching there is no God at all, or by teaching that the truths He has revealed are not of valuie.


One more time: church leaders are not God. A person can argue with LDS church leaders and not argue with God. Church leaders have been wrong before. They'll be wrong again. There is much within the LDS church that is not doctrine and is not God-breathed, and arguing against that is not the same as fighting God.

Except when the leader is speaking the words God has told him to tell you. And I would agree. If the leader is not speaking God's word, then you take his advice or not, as you chose. Just be sure you can tell the difference, and are not just going with what you wanted for your own personal reasons.

I don't take personal offense because it's just silliness, but I think the statement is intended to offend. Charity, like all traditional Mormons, believes that satan is the father of all lies and evil incarnate. For someone with those beliefs to accuse another person of working for Satan is probably the most offensive statement they can possibly think of.

Wrong guess again. I think it is a statement of fact. Satan is the father of all lies and evil incarnate. He is very devious, and he can convince people to do what he wants without them knowing it. I frequently use the words "unwittingly" or "unknowingly" to describe what happens. I also believe it is a statement of fact that if you are not for God, you are against Him. Again, probably "unwittingly" or "unknowingly." These are scriptural and doctrinal. I didn't make them up, and neither did Sister Z in my ward all those years ago.

beastie wrote:
I don't take personal offense because it's just silliness, but I think the statement is intended to offend. Charity, like all traditional Mormons, believes that satan is the father of all lies and evil incarnate. For someone with those beliefs to accuse another person of working for Satan is probably the most offensive statement they can possibly think of.

I agree! It is meant to be offensive. I think it is meant to be hateful, as well. Yet, it doesn't really strike a chord with me. Hammer has done that a few times, or said I'm screwed up 'cause I don't have the HG -- it just comes across as nutters to me.

I don't like her tossing it about at others while she elevates herself -- that irritates me. Yet, it doesn't affect me personally.

It'd be like someone saying I'm one of Santa's elves.

Riiiight.

Wrong again, guys. I do not say anything here pre-planned to raise anyone's hackles. And how can a statement of fact be hateful. I don't hate anybody. I don't hate the guys who out on the street corner with the really disgusting signs at Conference time. I have never said any specific person is working for Satan. I have described behaviors. If someone evaluated their own behavior and thinks they fit the bill, that is their own conscience. I have never in my life that I can recall specifically said anything calculated to be offensive.

I am not elevating myself. I am trying to do what I believe to be right. And I often miss the mark. I am no where near perfect.

While charity's remarks may be received as offensive to some, I do think she has been on the receiving end of her fair share of offensive remarks as well. I think it's a wash.

Thanks.

Shock value. It's what makes Rush Limbaugh so darn successful. The dogmatists love him and the liberals hate him, which means that, whatever side you're on, you're giving him the attention he craves.

I am not shock jock. I put out what I see to be a truth. Let the chips fall where they may.

I'm not convinced shock jocks actually believe what they say. Charity, OTOH, I think totally believes what she says.

I do agree charity takes a beating on this board regularly, so do not want to give the impression I'm saying she's worse than anyone else. She's not. But neither is she spotless, as she likes to portray herself. As long as she keeps lecturing others on bad behavior, I'll keep reminding her of her own.

I absolutely believe what I say. And you can lecture me all you want. I would appreciate it if you would try to mind read. You said earlier you thought I was trying to offend people deliberately. That is absolutely not true.

I agree. Charity, like other religious zealots, is just projecting what she believes to be truth. Religion has a way of answering all questions. It divides people into the good and the evil. She just plays that out. She's doing the best she can with what she "knows."

How can that offend if we understand where she's coming from?

That would be well and good if you really understood what I am "coming from." Which you don't seem to by what you say. I think people aren't either all good or all bad. I think we all fall along a continuum.

I don't know about other religions. Mine calls for more questions as you go along. When you learn one thing, you are then capable of understanding other things which are not fully answered. As you learn them, the way opens before you.

[_Jason Bourne]

I voted no. I don't find them offensive. I hardly ever agree with her....wait....I never agree with her, but she doesn't offend me.

Mercury....you really need to let this stuff roll off your back a little bit. Don't take these boards so serious. Have you ever read "The Four Agreements"? It may be helpful for you to do that. :-)

Have you ever read the book "how mercury does not give a s***"?

Now there is a mature response to a polite comment. Talk about being offensive.

[_Jason Bourne]

Muslims don't apologize for the truth, either.

No one should apologize for the truth as they understand it. One of the problems with the modern thining is that there are many truths which conflict with each other, but hey, that's okay. No, it isn't

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Well some of those Muslims who don't apologize for their understanding of the truth blow themselves and others up over it. Being convinced that one is absolutly right and others are not can be a dangerous thing.

[_charity]

Well some of those Muslims who don't apologize for their understanding of the truth blow themselves and others up over it. Being convinced that one is absolutly right and others are not can be a dangerous thing.

That is true, of course. But I am sure there are things you are convinced of that there are others who aren't, and it is a good thing for you that you are. People who are convinced that smoking causes multiple health risks are better off than those who deny the risks and smoke anyway.

But just because someone has dangerous absolute beliefs doesn't mean that there aren't good absolute beliefs.

[_Coggins7]

Whats wrong mercury? This comment hit a little too close to home?

The Church is true, and contains the fulness of Christs teachings. Dispite your inability to absorb correct doctrines due to your delusions, your children still need to be brought up in the light.

How are the in-laws treating you? Getting letters that upset you from your own parents?

How olds the daughter now? 4 more years to baptism?

Everything about the Church hits Merc too close to home.