Bokovoy: "Tornado Victims Deserved It!"

[_Enuma Elish]

It doesn't really matter one way or the other whether or not DCP---or anyone else---thought Bokovoy was "serious." This was just simply one of those foot-in-mouth moments, rather like Michael Richards's use of the 'N-word,' or Mel Gibson's Jew-related comments. I.e., were they just joking, or trying to make a point? In the end, it doesn't matter. The stuff had already been said.

Hardly. I was not angry nor was I drunk. I did not use any racial slurs, nor did I while employing sarcasm ever directly state that I believed that God sent the elements to punish the south because I didn't.

But I have no intention of carrying on a lengthy conversation in an attempt to justify my posts. I was wrong, but not to the level that you've suggested.

Best.

[_charity]

I went back and checked in the politics folder and this is the extent of David Bokovoy's "outrageous'" comment. Since Mr. Scratch just wants you to know what puts David in the worst light, this is what happened.

Rhinomelon said, "But I can understand why these sorts of comments affect the LDS view of the candidate. To be quite honest, the enthusiasm I've had about Romney has dwindled considerably simply due to the rhetoric of his supporters in this Politics folder. God sent the tornadoes to punish the states that supported Huckabee? Absolutely ridiculous, and worse than bigotry."

Note, David did NOT say that.

What David then posted back was "So are you are saying he didn't?"

That's it. That toss off line, a joke! And this brings forth hand wringing and shocked looks?

When someone posted back they didn't think that was nice, then David gave his statement that he did NOT believe that God sent the tornados on the South.

This is what happens when a pot stirrer get hold of a teapot.

[_Enuma Elish]

Is it safe to say that Dr. Peterson "deflected" precisely because he thought Bokovoy was serious?

I didn't talk to Dan about it, but I don't think so.

You don't think what? That he was "deflecting," or that he thought you were serious?

Both.

[_Mister Scratch]

It doesn't really matter one way or the other whether or not DCP---or anyone else---thought Bokovoy was "serious." This was just simply one of those foot-in-mouth moments, rather like Michael Richards's use of the 'N-word,' or Mel Gibson's Jew-related comments. I.e., were they just joking, or trying to make a point? In the end, it doesn't matter. The stuff had already been said.

Hardly. I was not angry nor was I drunk.

But you said you were "emotional." What does that mean? Which particular emotion were you referring to? Sadness? Hunger for revenge? Anger?

I did not use any racial slurs, nor did I while employing sarcasm ever directly state that I believed that God sent the elements to punish the south because I didn't.

Nor did Michael Richards "directly state" that he meant his words in a racist way.

But I have not intention of carrying on a lengthy conversation in an attempt to justify my posts. I was wrong, but not to the level that you've suggested.

Best.

So: again you are trying to justify what you did, this time via an adjustment concerning the "level" of your offensiveness? Is there an official scale for such a thing---e.g., Mel Gibson's stuff rates a 9.1, whereas Michael Richards was an 8? would you really trivialize what you said in this manner, by trying to downplay it? Sorry, Dave, but it is becoming increasingly clear that you just don't feel sorry about what you did. You feel justified, and don't think you did anything wrong. I really hope you don't fall into this pit of infallibility, as so many Mopologists before you have.

[_harmony]

Rhinomelon said, "But I can understand why these sorts of comments affect the LDS view of the candidate. To be quite honest, the enthusiasm I've had about Romney has dwindled considerably simply due to the rhetoric of his supporters in this Politics folder. God sent the tornadoes to punish the states that supported Huckabee? Absolutely ridiculous, and worse than bigotry."

Note, David did NOT say that.

So who did?

[_charity]

Rhinomelon said, "But I can understand why these sorts of comments affect the LDS view of the candidate. To be quite honest, the enthusiasm I've had about Romney has dwindled considerably simply due to the rhetoric of his supporters in this Politics folder. God sent the tornadoes to punish the states that supported Huckabee? Absolutely ridiculous, and worse than bigotry."

Note, David did NOT say that.

So who did?

Rhinomelon didn't say. I went back on the search feature for 3 dys and couldn't find any person who said that.

[_Mister Scratch]

I went back and checked in the politics folder and this is the extent of David Bokovoy's "outrageous'" comment. Since Mr. Scratch just wants you to know what puts David in the worst light, this is what happened.

Rhinomelon said, "But I can understand why these sorts of comments affect the LDS view of the candidate. To be quite honest, the enthusiasm I've had about Romney has dwindled considerably simply due to the rhetoric of his supporters in this Politics folder. God sent the tornadoes to punish the states that supported Huckabee? Absolutely ridiculous, and worse than bigotry."

Note, David did NOT say that.

What David then posted back was "So are you are saying he didn't?"

That's it. That toss off line, a joke!

Yep. And what a disgusting joke it was. David then went on to carry on about how he wanted to "plead the 5th" concerning his actual feelings on the matter, thus suggesting further that he felt vindication in the suffering of Southern tornado victims. It seems somewhat reminiscent of the rancid glee behind BY's "and I have taken a little" comment after MMM.

And this brings forth hand wringing and shocked looks?

When someone posted back they didn't think that was nice, then David gave his statement that he did NOT believe that God sent the tornados on the South.

This is what happens when a pot stirrer get hold of a teapot.

Tell me, Charity: do you think it is okay to make jokes about people whose lives have just been devastated by tornados? Did you yuk it up with your pals following 9-11 or Katrina? I sure hope not....

[_Enuma Elish]

But you said you were "emotional." What does that mean? Which particular emotion were you referring to? Sadness? Hunger for revenge? Anger?

Sad. I haven't felt any anger whatsoever.

Nor did Michael Richards "directly state" that he meant his words in a racist way.

Again, you're comparing apples with oranges. Besides, I like Jews and African Americans, but I detest white southerners.

So: again you are trying to justify what you did, this time via an adjustment concerning the "level" of your offensiveness? Is there an official scale for such a thing---e.g., Mel Gibson's stuff rates a 9.1, whereas Michael Richards was an 8? would you really trivialize what you said in this manner, by trying to downplay it?

Clearly there exists a morality scale whereby we should judge the level of offensiveness. And yes, though I accept that my sarcasm was inappropriate given the gravity of the situation, I think it's a bit silly for you to infer that my comment was anywhere as grievous as Gibson's or Richard's. I would submit that we must continually judge these sort of mistakes in accordance with a scale of impropriety.

Sorry, Dave, but it is becoming increasingly clear that you just don't feel sorry about what you did. You feel justified, and don't think you did anything wrong. I really hope you don't fall into this pit of infallibility, as so many Mopologists before you have.

No worries then, since I've admitted that my comments were inappropriate and I have never, nor will I ever claim infallibility.

[_dartagnan]

I couldn't figure out who first brought up the tornados. Rhinomelon said it as if he were citing someone but maybe the original post edited it out.

No, I never saw David say this, but he was extremely pissed off and emotionally wound up so he let his mouth get ahead of his brain for a minute there. Charity is wrong in saying it was a "joke." He was too upset to be in a joking mood. It was just one of those things you say when you're pissed off and then later regret.

[_Mister Scratch]

But you said you were "emotional." What does that mean? Which particular emotion were you referring to? Sadness? Hunger for revenge? Anger?

Sad. I haven't felt any anger whatsoever.

So, it was your "sadness", you argue, which justified your "joke"?

Nor did Michael Richards "directly state" that he meant his words in a racist way.

Again, you're comparing apples with oranges. Besides, I like Jews and African Americans, but I detest white southerners.

Ah, okay. Well, thanks for clarifying. Or is this another bit of your "sarcasm"?