Moniker wrote:Charity, what do you think of LDS that say all other Christians (not LDS) are out to line their pockets and the preachers want to herd more sheep into their Churches 'cause they want more moolah? IT IS RIDICULOUS! The stereotypes that some continue to perpetuate against those outside their Church are just as ridiculous as those that call LDS Satanic.
I don't know why you are addressing this to me. I think a lot of LDS say things that I don't agree with. Unlike a popular stereotype, we aren't all a flock of sheep without an independent thought.
We do wonder a little bit about pastors who get more salary as they get more members. We contrast that to our bishops who don't get paid a penny. And we certainly wonder even more about televangelists and the mega churches. But I would think there are ridiculous stereotypes on both sides.
But again, I wonder why you singled me out for this?
Moniker wrote:Charity, what do you think of LDS that say all other Christians (not LDS) are out to line their pockets and the preachers want to herd more sheep into their Churches 'cause they want more moolah? IT IS RIDICULOUS! The stereotypes that some continue to perpetuate against those outside their Church are just as ridiculous as those that call LDS Satanic.
I don't know why you are addressing this to me. I think a lot of LDS say things that I don't agree with. Unlike a popular stereotype, we aren't all a flock of sheep without an independent thought.
We do wonder a little bit about pastors who get more salary as they get more members. We contrast that to our bishops who don't get paid a penny. And we certainly wonder even more about televangelists and the mega churches. But I would think there are ridiculous stereotypes on both sides.
But again, I wonder why you singled me out for this?
You said Juliann was not a bigot. Yet, she makes remarks about mainstream Churches and uses stereotypes such as they are recruiting for monetary gain. I thought you were defending her? Guess not?
I agree there are ridiculous stereotypes on both sides!
Moniker wrote: You said Juliann was not a bigot. Yet, she makes remarks about mainstream Churches and uses stereotypes such as they are recruiting for monetary gain. I thought you were defending her? Guess not?
I agree there are ridiculous stereotypes on both sides!
You should admit that there are preacher who are out for money. My widowed mother called one of those 800 numbers for a free Christian bookmark or some little thing. She is, 15 years later, getting dunning letters for money for their "minsitry." You don't think that is to get gain?
Moniker wrote:Charity, what do you think of LDS that say all other Christians (not LDS) are out to line their pockets and the preachers want to herd more sheep into their Churches 'cause they want more moolah? IT IS RIDICULOUS! The stereotypes that some continue to perpetuate against those outside their Church are just as ridiculous as those that call LDS Satanic.
Who exactly said that? And how up in the leadership hierarchy were they? Because I don't recall ever hearing anything like that from our leaders.
There were threads on MAD (LDS) that reiterated this verbatim. Matter of fact the only people arguing against this was Uncle Dale and I.
I thought that many LDS Twitter at how mainstream Christian Churches are not as uber special as LDS because they have paid clergy -- the thought stems from there then spirals down into the absurd thought that preachers/priests/etc... just go into it to get rich.
And yet, folks like Mitt Romney attempt to make the LDS Church appear as though it were mainstream. What is there to do with all of this?
How many rich preachers do you now, Jersey? I'm thinking back over my entire 55 years and I don't know/remember any rich preachers. How about you?
You mean as in real life and not televangelist type preachers? None. Their salaries are miniscule at best.
As a group, Evs are the least educated of all religions.
Actually Muslims are. And it is quite easy to determine that. Hundreds of millions of them are illiterate.
1. Interestingly, they know many "sura" from memory, many times in arabic, when they can't speak in arabic, only their native!
2. Sociological summing-ups show there are "functional illiterates" who can read but can not reproduce the read material. They read but don't understand it. I have read european polls, they're distressing. I think it is a worldwide symptom.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Mister Scratch wrote:Notice her rather distasteful use of "yer" in her rendering of these folks' speech. I have to wonder: does this reveal a form of bigotry which Ms. Reynolds has been harboring? Does she "hate" people who speak this way, and who believe differently than she does?
Julie has been out for Huckabee ever since he came after Romney. She's called him "Huck," and "the Huckster," made comments regarding his son looking like something out of "Deliverance," and said she hoped he'd fall flat on his face and into the mud.
Polemic caricature is nothing new for Ms. Reynolds.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
In a strange way, Mitt did lose because of antimormonism found within certain protestant sects and among certain catholic groups. No question about it. The antimormonism in american society was quite surprising for a country that hallmarks religious tolerance. Lets look at a catholic site and what they sent their members leading up to super tuesday:
[b]Confronting the New Mormon Threat
Why the rise of Mormonism could harm our fellow Catholics if we don't act now.
Click here to donate
Think the Mormons are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think again.
Think the Mormons are just a strange offshoot of Protestant Christianity? Think again.
Think Mormons are actually Christian? Think again!
The truth is, Mormonism is far different from what most people think it is.
If asked, most Catholics would not be able to explain what Mormons believe. Nor do they have a clue what's wrong with Mormonism.
And therein lies the danger--especially today, as Mormonism is enjoying a resurgence in popularity and interest, in part because of election news coverage.
But the news media aren't providing useful information about Mormonism.
This worries me--because the majority of converts to Mormonism are ill-informed Catholics who are highly vulnerable to Mormon proselytizing.
That's why Catholic Answers is now sprinting into action to head off a potential disaster among our fellow Catholics.
And we're going to need your help to make this new project successful.
Here's what it's all about...
Facts about the Mormon Threat
FACT: In 1984, sociologist Rodney Stark predicted that the Mormon church would grow at a rate of 30%-50% per decade for the next several decades, reaching from 70 million to possibly as high as 280 million members by the year 2080. He said it would be "the first new major world religion since Islam."
Indeed, from 1984 to 2000, the church actually grew at an average rate of 52% per decade, outpacing the upper bound on Stark’s prediction.
FACT: When Mormon missionaries make their first contact with a person in the home of a Mormon friend or relative, a conversion will result 50% of the time.
FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (That’s 800 a day--or another million every three years.) Half or more of them are Catholics.
The time to act is now--or we risk losing many Catholics to the Mormon faith in the decade ahead.
Simply put, we must not allow false teachers to mislead Catholics. Yet that’s exactly what Mormon theology is doing, even as you read this letter. Won’t you please make a special sacrifice and send your gift of $35 ... $75 ... or perhaps $150 or more today for this important project and all the good works of Catholic Answers.[/b]
And so Scratch antimormonism is alive and well in the USA. In fact, the only difference between 1838 and 2008 is that no one's house is being burned down.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Mister Scratch wrote:Notice her rather distasteful use of "yer" in her rendering of these folks' speech. I have to wonder: does this reveal a form of bigotry which Ms. Reynolds has been harboring? Does she "hate" people who speak this way, and who believe differently than she does?
Julie has been out for Huckabee ever since he came after Romney. She's called him "Huck," and "the Huckster," made comments regarding his son looking like something out of "Deliverance," and said she hoped he'd fall flat on his face and into the mud.
Polemic caricature is nothing new for Ms. Reynolds.
Huck used the Mormon fear card with EV's. For a politician to do such a thing does not deserve respect.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Moniker wrote: You said Juliann was not a bigot. Yet, she makes remarks about mainstream Churches and uses stereotypes such as they are recruiting for monetary gain. I thought you were defending her? Guess not?
I agree there are ridiculous stereotypes on both sides!
You should admit that there are preacher who are out for money. My widowed mother called one of those 800 numbers for a free Christian bookmark or some little thing. She is, 15 years later, getting dunning letters for money for their "minsitry." You don't think that is to get gain?
An 800 number isn't a preacher, charity. Sending out mailings for 15 years with no return isn't getting gain.