What is judgemental, and who of us here is judgemental?

[_Moniker]

Didn't read the replies - I'm so tired I can barely keep my eyes open.

I am judgmental. Often. I just usually try to keep it to myself. There are certain attributes that some display that I do not enjoy -- these are things I zone in on. I usually am a total smart ass when I do let someone know I find their actions ludicrous. Sometimes I'm rather blunt. Depends -- I'm temperamental.

I judge myself fairly harshly, as well. It's a way to recognize actions -- how they appeal or not -- and how to change myself. I hate it when I've noticed something in others that makes me bristle then recognize it in myself. Knowing that I'm not perfect, though, usually helps me empathize when others display characteristics that I don't appreciate. No one is perfect -- I just get a bit flustered when some think they are perfect-- and yes I'm judging them.

[_Moniker]

In fact, I would mention who - in my opinion - is the least judgmental person on this board (and their more on your 'side' than mine I would say), but I know they wouldn't like to be singled out - so I won't. (Ironically, they would be the last person to try and claim that they 'don't sometimes judge')

PM me! I want to know. I actually find it interesting that you typed this, Ren. I find you one of the least judgmental on the board.

Nope! Nope! That would be Truth Dancer!!!!

[_karl61]

The problem with the Ted Bundy thing is there were Kings of Israel and Judah who spoke with the Lord and did one hundred times worse - they killed, slaughtered villages, men, women, children infants and even the live stock, enslaved the people who were not jews, (forced labor) while they lived in their gold filled, ivory palaces. Plus the Lord can just forgive Ted Bundy like he forgave David - you never know from one moment til the next what you will be doing, killing or building - all in the name of the Lord. I think it was solomon who killed his half brother for asking solomon's help in getting a wife. He said oh today it's a wife and tomorrow a whole kingdom and killed him. After he did that he must have been "morally clean" because he conversed with the Lord in dreams. If Ted Bundy was a King of Judah he could have done what he did as long as the women were ammonites. I guess this is called my judgement.

[_charity]

Jesus got this one wrong.

I wouldn't say Jesus got it wrong. The 'principle' is sound. Before unloading on someone else about how 'sinful' they are, maybe take a second to think about how sinful YOU are. And maybe go easy on the guy / gal. Or perhaps consider that shoving the persons sins down their throat isn't gonna be the most productive way to approach the situation.
...that's how I read what he was trying to say.

Charity,

On another thread, I have been getting quite a bit of flack for being "judgemental."

Can't speak for others, but my 'main' 'flack' wasn't about being judgmental. It was about claiming that you aren't.

While I was preparing a response, I decided I am really judgemental. As I think we all are.

You've hit it on the head charity. And I'm glad you made this response. (Finally)

I'm judgmental sometimes. I know that, and I admit that. You're judgmental sometimes. Everybody is judgmental sometimes.
And I see that as NO bad thing. A principle such as "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is in the same category as "Turn the other cheek" for me. It's a nice principle that we should keep in mind. It should give is pause and help us reflect on the best path. But are they meant to be rules that we are hard-tied to in every single decision we make? We are meant to go about our whole lives "turning the other cheek" in literally every viable situation? Something tells me that's taking it a tad too far.

If none of us ever dared to judge anybody else, then the world would be a pretty scary place in my opinion.
I don't care 'so' much that you do judge. (Although I may comment on that on a case by case basis). It's the attitude of judging and then denying that you are judging at all! that's what I see as some of the inherent hypocrisy in many religious attitudes I'm afraid.

You want to turn this into two uses of the word 'judgment'. And yet - of course - we all know there are two types of judgment. The type of judgment us mere mortals get to pass on each-other, and the judgment the Lord gets to pass on us. Are both valid? YES! You get to judge charity. The fact that you can't judge 'as the saviour can judge' is irrelevant.

What I'm also 'referring to' is the possibility (and let's see how you take this little bit of observation...!) that you may be a tad more judgmental than many, many others (generally) - and yet you keep trying to twist around on the possibility that you don't judge anybody at all!
...I'm sorry, but that really comes across badly to me.

But I wanna keep it in perspective as well. You also handle yourself very well, and you don't 'retaliate' that badly, even when provoked quite severely. So you have my respect there. You're a bit of mixed bag I find :)
(But aren't we all...)

I have never pointed a finger at any poster on this board, and said, "You are wicked." I have stated my opinion about what constitutes wicked behavior. Then it is up to the poster to look at him/herself and determine if they are doing that kind of behavior.

Oh come on charity, this is pretty much what I'm talking about.

A poster says 'X', or says they have done 'X'.
You say that 'X' is 'wicked' in the context of talking with them.

...you just judged them... I'd be one thing to talk about X being wicked in a separate context. But to talk about it being wicked in the context of talking about a specific person's behavior? Yes - of course you just judged them.

If somebody says "I oppose homosexuality", and my reply to that statement was "I think opposing homosexuality is pretty damn low", then that's a judgmental response.
..here's a less judgmental response: "I get why people oppose it. But I disagree. And here's why..."


I know you consider yourself a word-smith. If that is so, then may I suggest you take more care with the words you use (like 'wicked' for example), and the meanings that you know full well those words carry.

As a believing LDS, I would have to say that while we can look at their acts, and think we know about their motives (their "hearts) that we can't really know.

I don't think you need to have to delve down into someones must basic 'motives' to judge them.
In fact, that's really at the 'heart' of the problem.

I have taken some of what you say to heart.

[_Ren]

I have taken some of what you say to heart.

that's one the coolest responses I've ever seen from you.
...you just went up several groovy notches in my book. (If that means anything to you...)

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Concerning Mother teresa. I might be taking a leap in saying Kant suggested that my mouth is burning. LOL.. Sorry. I don't have sufficient words. Something about doing good deeds and whether we do it for our gain or not and that on some level we are still doing it for gain. So MT would be doing it for gain.

Everyone is judgemental. it is in our nature. We live by comparison. Some of us are just more outspoken than others.

[_charity]

I have taken some of what you say to heart.

that's one the coolest responses I've ever seen from you.
...you just went up several groovy notches in my book. (If that means anything to you...)

Funny, that is what happened when I read your post. Several notches back at you!

[_Ren]

Funny, that is what happened when I read your post. Several notches back at you!

Yeah - thanks a lot. Now my anti-Mormon reputation is in tatters.
...I've gotta think of something nasty to say now. Give me some time - I'll think of something...! :D

[_bcspace]

On another thread, I have been getting quite a bit of flack for being "judgemental."

1 Cor 6:2 requires you to judge.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Funny, that is what happened when I read your post. Several notches back at you!

Yeah - thanks a lot. Now my anti-Mormon reputation is in tatters.
...I've gotta think of something nasty to say now. Give me some time - I'll think of something...! :D

How about what Merc called her?