MADB suspended me for reporting a post?

[Guest]

If your wife asks you if she looks fat, and you tell her no even though she is, are you a liar?

If you were hiding Jews from Nazis and told them you weren't, are you a liar?

If one these instances are the only times you lie, would you be insulted if I said you were a liar?

If you tell your child that she better behave or the boogeyman is going to come and burn her flesh and eat it with worms for all eternity, when in actual fact you know very well that no such thing will happen, does that make you a liar? And if you recruit a lot of really credible people to help reinforce your lie, does that make you a liar? Because I think that's a better analogy.

How about this one: if you could snap your fingers and make the Nazis disappear, does it make much sense to compromise your principles by lying to them? If you could snap your fingers and Sarah would be covered by divine protection, does it make much sense to ask her husband not only to lie in order to protect her, but to compromise her integrity in the process?

Better yet: if you threaten somebody with a flaming sword lest he stop taking dozens of wives, and then commission him to go tell all his wives to keep their mouths shut about it, are you a liar? Or just a misogynist?

[_CaliforniaKid]

Furthermore, the phrase "the lying god of Joseph Smith" also seems to be calling Joseph Smith a liar. The word "liar" is too strong when one is talking about white lies. It is insulting.

Joseph Smith was a liar. That wasn't what I was trying to communicate, however.

[_Runtu]

Furthermore, the phrase "the lying god of Joseph Smith" also seems to be calling Joseph Smith a liar. The word "liar" is too strong when one is talking about white lies. It is insulting.

Joseph Smith was a liar. That wasn't what I was trying to communicate, however.

Does anyone here think Joseph told only white lies?

[_Sethbag]

But he'll tell a "white" lie to get someone out of a jam?

Does this really make any sense to you?

It makes about as much sense as the atoning for the sins of another, or the necessity of faith.

In other words no, it doesn't make much sense.

All that aside, if one views God's deception as white lies, then can you see why we'd find it insulting to call Him a liar whereas mentioning that God sometimes "lies" isn't necessarily the same thing? Furthermore, the phrase "the lying god of Joseph Smith" also seems to be calling Joseph Smith a liar. The word "liar" is too strong when one is talking about white lies. It is insulting.

"No, I'm not practicing polygamy." Meanwhile, he's married dozens of women already, a handful of whom were already legally married to other men.

And this is a "white" lie? Joseph Smith denied up and down that polygamy was being practiced. That is a "white" lie to you?

Also, the deception of Emma by Joseph Smith. He undoubtedly must have lied when she asked him where he'd been, and he didn't want her to know he'd been sleeping with Marinda Hyde again, or one of the Partridge sisters, or any number of dozens of other women. What about the fake wedding he arranged between himself and the Partridge sisters in front of Emma, to hide the fact that he'd already secretly "married" them months before? Is all of this "white" lies too?

Come on, Abman. "Are you secretly married to other women besides Emma?" is not the same as "does this dress make me look fat?" Joseph Smith was a liar, and inasmuch as he claimed that some things of this nature came from God, the God of Joseph Smith was a lying God as well.

[_asbestosman]

Does anyone here think Joseph told only white lies?

What matters at MADB is if the mods (and posters) at MADB think Joseph only told white lies.

[_Runtu]

Does anyone here think Joseph told only white lies?

What matters at MADB is if the mods (and posters) at MADB think Joseph only told white lies.

Well, that's odd. I suppose Chris could have been more diplomatic (a must over there, obviously), but most people do recognize that Joseph lied about polygamy, and if we are to accept the reasons why, it is clear that God told him to lie,

[_asbestosman]

Well, that's odd. I suppose Chris could have been more diplomatic (a must over there, obviously), but most people do recognize that Joseph lied about polygamy, and if we are to accept the reasons why, it is clear that God told him to lie,

Sure, but the difference is that they see those lies on par with other white lies such as directly lying to Nazis.

[_beastie]

I think the MAD mods ought to bite the bullet and just go ahead and do what they REALLY want to do - declare that the use of the word "lie" or any of its derivatives or synonyms cannot be used in conjunction with any LDS person. You know, kind of like they recently declared about Hinckley. Sure, you can still use the word in regards to non or exLDS, just not LDS.

That ought to solve the problem.

What's funny about this is that I didn't think they could get even more controlling and restrictive than they already were, but clearly they can. TBMs want something they just can't have - a board that is supposedly open to critics, so they can claim they respond to and refute critics, - but the critics only offer stupid, silly arguments that can easily be refuted. In the absence of that idyllic state, mods will have to settle for muzzling and banning critics however they can.

Pathetic, MAD board, you are.

[_Alter Idem]

Chris, if you'd stopped before the last comment; "the lying god of Joseph Smith", they would have let it slide, I think. But that went too far--it was insulting to LDS. You may believe our god is a liar, but I wouldn't say it on the MADB board--unless you don't mind getting slapped.

This tells you one thing...they must like you since you only got a short suspension...the kind that TBM's get when they cross the line.

Kemara was a jerk, but they were more insulted by what you wrote, which probably helped him/her get only a mild reprimand.

Also, I'd assume you annoyed them by bringing up Joseph which was a tangent from the original post and it's intended purpose. I think Zakusa's initial post was to tweak those on the board who believe the Bible is inerrant. I don't think he believes God lies, but he wanted to see them squirm and try to explain it.

[_Runtu]

Well, that's odd. I suppose Chris could have been more diplomatic (a must over there, obviously), but most people do recognize that Joseph lied about polygamy, and if we are to accept the reasons why, it is clear that God told him to lie,

Sure, but the difference is that they see those lies on par with other white lies such as directly lying to Nazis.

I find that comparison frankly bizarre. And doesn't bringing in the Nazis violate Godwin's law?