Bokovoy: "Tornado Victims Deserved It!"

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dartagnan wrote:Who needs Polygamy Porter to put decent threads in the gutter, when we now have mercury around?


Awww, look at poor dart getting all pissy because Guy Smiley lost the bid for the republican nom.
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Re: Bokovoy: "Tornado Victims Deserved It!"

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Mister Scratch wrote:This was mentioned in a tangential way on Dartagnan's Romney thread, but certainly, this deserves its own thread. For those who are still functioning in a "MAD blackout," it needs to be mentioned that a temporary "Politics" folder has been established in the "LDS Dialog and Discussion" forum, somewhat akin to the old "Pundits" folder. This politics folder, evidently, has been quite a scorched-earth battle ground, especially now that Romney has dropped out of the race. In a notable thread entitled "Stick a Fork in Romney," budding scholar-cum-Mopologist David Bokovoy really lost his cool. Here is the typically polite poster known as "rhinomelon" expressing his disgust at some of the TBMs' sentiments:

rhinomelon wrote:To be quite honest, the enthusiasm I've had about Romney has dwindled considerably simply due to the rhetoric of his supporters in this Politics folder. God sent the tornadoes to punish the states that supported Huckabee? Absolutely ridiculous, and worse than bigotry.


Now, that's pretty nasty. The tornado victims deserved it??? You would expect this kind of stuff to be smacked down by good, God-fearing Christian folks. But guess what?

David Bokovoy wrote:
rhinomelon wrote: God sent the tornadoes to punish the states that supported Huckabee? Absolutely ridiculous, and worse than bigotry.


So are you saying that he didn't?


Wow! Bokovoy has really lost his cool. Such a rotten thing to say! Essentially, he is asserting that Heavenly Father smote these "sinners" due to their lack of support for and criticism of Romney. He goes on:

rhinomelon wrote:
Bokovoy wrote:So are you saying that he didn't?


Yes I am. Are you saying He did?


David Bokovoy wrote:Well, seeing as I went down to shake Mitt's hand and cheer for him when he cast his vote and my wife sat on the stage of his final rally (with me cheering from the crowd), given my current emotional attachment, better for right now to plea the fifth.


Ahem. Well. What can you say to this? To be fair, Bokovoy later apologized, but, I think we can all agree, this was quite an appalling outburst. He seems to be taking after his mentors, which, of course, is tragic.


The Amish have a saying that all that happens is God’s will. It’s based on a biblical script as are most Christian declarations. There is a more accurate breakdown of the expression:

God protected the little baby thrown a hundred yards.

Yet the same people who claim that, fail to account for the tornadoes in the first place. So, they claim God protected the baby, but they ignore the tornado itself which took at least 55 lives and destroyed millions of dollars in property loss and lives severely disrupted.

The fact is that God claims are irrelevant. Tornadoes are a fact of weather science. They strike where weather conditions are right for tornadoes.

Of course the claim that the tornadoes were “God’s punishment” is merely assertion absent evidence. That is, there is no evidence for any God in the first place. It’s an invention to explain that which people don’t understand and fear.

It’s easy to understand why people narrowly missed by a tornado say: “Thank God!” I’m sure they feel that way. However, it’s an illusion. The tornado was a product of weather conditions. The fact that it missed one house and hit another just next door is a matter of weather science about just where a tornado does the greatest damage.

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This really is off topic, but it makes a person wonder.

Several decades ago, a tornado touched down in southern Washington. It hit a school gym and took out the roof, only minutes after children had been in the gym, hit a little strip mall, but again, no one killed. Then it touched down in a neighborhood and destroyed one house. The family members were fine, but the house was taken down to a pile of rubble. It touched down again another couple of times, but in bare fields, took out a tree, not big deal.

This is the strange part. The house that was destroyed was owned by people who had carefully researched and found that there had never been a tornado in this area. Why was that important to them? They had lived in Tornado Alley and their house had been destroyed.
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Awww, look at poor dart getting all pissy because Guy Smiley lost the bid for the republican nom.


Do you try hard to look so stupid?

I'm not pissy about Romney's defeat. Anyone who can read can see I have criticized Mormons for getting pissy about it and blaming others. I've stated time and time again that no republican is going to win the presidency anyway.
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charity wrote:This really is off topic, but it makes a person wonder.

Several decades ago, a tornado touched down in southern Washington. It hit a school gym and took out the roof, only minutes after children had been in the gym, hit a little strip mall, but again, no one killed. Then it touched down in a neighborhood and destroyed one house. The family members were fine, but the house was taken down to a pile of rubble. It touched down again another couple of times, but in bare fields, took out a tree, not big deal.

This is the strange part. The house that was destroyed was owned by people who had carefully researched and found that there had never been a tornado in this area. Why was that important to them? They had lived in Tornado Alley and their house had been destroyed.


Or how about tens of thousands of children frolicking on the beach with their families when suddenly a giant tsunami wave drowned them all like unwanted puppies.
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Who Knows wrote:David - for what it's worth, I read your comment only as a sarcastic joke, made in the heat of the moment - I think we've all been guilty of that. You've apologized, and I don't believe you meant anything truly malicious by it.

Let it die...


Hear, hear. Talk about beating a dead horse. Enough already!

So the guy said something he perhaps now regrets. Join the club.
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guy sajer wrote:
Who Knows wrote:David - for what it's worth, I read your comment only as a sarcastic joke, made in the heat of the moment - I think we've all been guilty of that. You've apologized, and I don't believe you meant anything truly malicious by it.

Let it die...


Hear, hear. Talk about beating a dead horse. Enough already!

So the guy said something he perhaps now regrets. Join the club.


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I'm afraid of David's bald/goatee look.

On topic:
I doubt he really thinks the Tornado victims got it from God for simply rejecting Romney in the primary. Sarcasm is tough to read sometimes...or his hyperbole ran over.
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Enuma Elish wrote:And this is why I love you guys at Mormon Discussions so much. And to prove my devotion, I've now even added a personalized avatar. Next step, Godhood.

When you reach that “next step,” if you don't turn out vengeful, I will lose all respect (and ask for my 10% to be refunded).
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Bond...James Bond wrote:I'm afraid of David's bald/goatee look.

On topic:
I doubt he really thinks the Tornado victims got it from God for simply rejecting Romney in the primary. Sarcasm is tough to read sometimes...or his hyperbole ran over.


Yes; what I admire most about him throughout all of this is that he actually did offer up an apology, something that would be unheard of from DCP, Hamblin, Gee, juliann, or Nibley. Perhaps this is a preview of good things to come in the world of Mopologetics.
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