What Happens After Suicide?

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Hypatia,

I am so very sorry for your loss.
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

I'm so sorry for your loss hypatia. :(
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Post by _Gazelam »

Death is just walking through a door, just without your body. So if the cause of their sorrow was some form of physical ailment, then they are certainly relieved of that.

If their troubles were emotional and perspective based, as in a bad attitude, then they have some relief there in that they have all of the righteous and knowledgeable sages of the ages to lean on and to receive instruction from. This could change their whole persepctive on things as they talk to these men and women as they review the time they spent here.

The world to come is no mere place of rest. There is alot going on, including discussions on the plan of salvation, and why bad things happen to good people, only there instead of guess work they have someone who knows the facts to help them along.

Take some solace in the fact that your loved ones are not far from you, and are filled with prayers and encouragement that you will bear these struggles and burdens in faith. Time will eventually help to heal you, though there will be some scarring.

When your ready you should imerse yourself in friends and family. don't take too long to do so.

And you also have friends here. We only seem callous and rough at first glance, most of us are softies deep down.
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

To answer your question, since MishMag said you are not a troll:

Mormon answer: They are both in spirit prison awaiting judgment for taking their own life. You won't see them, even if you live righteous enough to get assigned to another husband/god.

My answer: They are gone. I don't believe you will see them again.

How to carry on?

Depends on what you want.

All you have is memories. How you use them is up to you.
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Post by _MishMagnet »

As you might note up above I have met this very kind woman in person. She is for real.
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

MishMagnet wrote:As you might note up above I have met this very kind woman in person. She is for real.
I edited my post.

Sorry, I usually skip your posts.
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Post by _Imwashingmypirate »

I thought at first she was a sock puppet, but I understood why one might choose to make one in her situation. I have been reassured.

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Post by _hypatia »

Thank you all for your words of sympathy. However, I truly did want and need a variety of personal views on what happens after suicide...for the victims as well as myself. A couple of you added links I have looked at and are helpful...

I am "stuck" in a spot where I thought I would never be and I don't know where to go or what to do to make things better. Half of my family is gone--my husband and my only daughter at 22. I waited 36 years to have her. We were so close. I am at a lost. There is now only my son who lives in Louisiana and myself. He has built a life for himself and is looking towards the future, as he should.

What about my future? I planned it once with a husband; I reconstructed it once again after his death. Presently, I am out of personal reconstruction energy. I am supposed to be entering those Golden Years we worked so hard for.
I just wish I could have my old life back.

I am angry with my husband. By his own suicide he has given my children permission that suicide was an option, an avenue to solve seemingly insolvable problems. One incredible daughter has already been taken from me...
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Post by _Yoda »

Boaz & Lidia wrote:Mormon answer: They are both in spirit prison awaiting judgment for taking their own life. You won't see them, even if you live righteous enough to get assigned to another husband/god.



Doctrinally, PP, this is not correct, as I pointed out in my prior post. This is a quote from Bruce R. McConkie:

The late Elder Bruce R. McConkie, formerly of the Quorum of the Twelve, expressed what many Church leaders have taught: “Suicide consists in the voluntary and intentional taking of one’s own life, particularly where the person involved is accountable and has a sound mind. … Persons subject to great stresses may lose control of themselves and become mentally clouded to the point that they are no longer accountable for their acts. Such are not to be condemned for taking their own lives. It should also be remembered that judgment is the Lord’s; he knows the thoughts, intents, and abilities of men; and he in his infinite wisdom will make all things right in due course.” (Mormon Doctrine, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966, p. 771; some italics added.)


More of the article can be found here:

Liahona article

In short, what the modern prophets are saying in this article is that we simply don't know what the final judgment will be under these circumstances. It is in the hands of the Lord.

My personal belief is that the Lord knows each individual hearts, and He would not separate families based on something like this.
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Post by _Some Schmo »

hypatia wrote:Thank you all for your words of sympathy. However, I truly did want and need a variety of personal views on what happens after suicide...for the victims as well as myself.


Well, if you really want it, I will simply say that death is death, and it doesn't matter how it occurs (suicide or otherwise). I believe consciousness is a by-product of the synergy created by multiple neurons working together in concert, and once electricity is no longer fed to those neurons, the consciousness ceases to exist.

In other words, dead people aren't anywhere. Nothing has happened to them other than the biodegradation of their bodies' cells. The experience they're having now is exactly the same as it was before they were born, which is to say, they aren't experiencing anything.

It seems natural to want to tell someone who is grieving over such a tremendous loss that their family members are "in a better place" or "are now at peace" because those are consoling ideas, and people are often very fearful of the idea that this life is all there is, but comfort value has never equaled truth value.

What I will suggest to you is that with the loss of consciousness comes a loss of pain, and one would need to be in much pain to consider and then act on suicidal thoughts. At least they are relieved of that.

But I find myself far more concerned with what happens to you after their suicide, not what happens to them. You are still a living, breathing, conscious individual.
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