The Truth About MDB.

[_beastie]

Juliann Reynolds used to be her moniker at FAIR in the early days of that forum.

What is she afraid of?

The fuss about using Juliann's real name was definitely a red herring. They just didn't like her being skewered. Of course, no one likes being skewered, but the sneaky thing was that they used the "real name" to try and build a moral case against the scratch files.

Pahoran's fuss about his real name is slightly different. He says he was threatened in real life after using his real name life. However, he never has bothered to change from Pahoran, which was strongly associated with his real name, so I am somewhat skeptical of his protest, as well.

I think what really bothered them was being so accurately skewered by someone who obviously knew them well... and they didn't know his identity.

[_dartagnan]

What really bothered them was that people they knew in the real world would come across their names online and find out what idiots they can be.

[_moksha]

WAzing,

If you will join me in the ZLMB Nursery, I will be happy to explain how the same principles previously mentioned apply to the Church as well as to individuals, and how the two are inextricably related. We can do so without derailing the meaningful discussion among adults with your persistently innane and self-righteous judgementalism.

Besides, the adults already have a grasp of the basic and obvious principles that apparently allude you on this issue, and it would be too much to ask of them to suffer through the pains of educating you .

Now, had you joined me after my first request, we could have spared this thread more of your drivel.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

The Nursery? Need to check and make sure they have those little windows on the door first!

[_the road to hana]

Juliann Reynolds used to be her moniker at FAIR in the early days of that forum.

What is she afraid of?

She likes to have ownership of her own personal information. That is, she can use it herself, and even share it publicly, but even once it's in the public domain, she doesn't want others to use it. She actually has shared quite a bit of personal information about herself over the years on various boards.

[_Jersey Girl]

In the tradition of "Mister Scratch", I'm doing some "historical delving" here which might be of interest to MDB posters. There is a fascinating thread on ZLMB titled "Non-existent war: Gason Jallentine". Jersey Girl started this thread, but she is not the subject of focus here. "Dr. Shades" is. The link to the thread is here: http://p094.ezboard.com/Nonexistent-war ... D=99.topic

What's fascinating about this thread? Well, to make a minor point, Shades uses smileys more than anyone else!! LOL. Yet he has banned them here! Too juvenile, too silly. By the way, did you know that Shades is banned from ezyboards? Another trivial point, I suppose, but let's get to some meat:

In response to "DaddyMO" (formerly "Dadof7), Shades wrote:

You Mormons need to be more like us. We love making fun of anything that moves! Except us of course. Making fun of normal kids is chump change. If you wanna see funny, check out keene on my message board!

www.mormondiscussions.com...=2107#2107

And this is what Keene wrote:

4.) Revenge on the internet is like winning the special olympics. Yeah, you won, but you're still retarded.

Shades' comment to that:

Is that funny or what? Whew. I need to sit down it makes me laugh so hard. You need to develop a sense of humor and learn to laugh at everybody but us! [My emphasis]

Yea, LAUGH are handicapped children, "but not at us!"

Yea, Shades thinks making "fun" of "normal kids" isn't "good enough", you must make fun of handicapped children, "for real effect". Guts and all that. Make fun of everyone - except anti-Mormons. And Keene is the "trail-blazer"! Shades put SIX smileys after Keen's comments about handicapped children!!! SIX. And says he was "rolling with laughter".
Someone ("Melody") injected a critical comment:

Interesting.

I think Truth Dancer has a special needs kid. I wonder what she thinks about Keene's comment?

I hate hypocrits.

But beastie also has special needs children. I wonder what she thinks of this?

In reply to "Melody", Shades, probably tongue-in-cheek (but, who knows?), replied:

Shut up or we will track you down and repurcuss you.

(A shady smiley followed this. The irony.)

But was it all tongue-in-cheek? Here is what Shades later wrote:

I have to say that even I don't know what I am talking about. Does normal that mean we have to make fun of large families and call children retards? Or is poking vicious fun at large numbers of people on our blog adequate?

What a choice!!

Shades and Scratch have been in league for a long time? Did you ever wonder why he listens to Scratch so much? And immediately places in Off-Topic what Scratch requests? Here's why:

Now remember to tell them they are bad for censoring 'cause Mr. Scratch has that one covered, too! We don't censor. We just tell them "People are more than welcome to say whatever they like on the forum. No need to worry about things getting cut from the blog " And if there is ever something we don't want to see it is real easy to get rid of!

They "get rid" of such counter-criticisms by placing them in Off-Topic, like, when Scratch requests it, as he did with my posts. Did you ever notice what a bum-licker Shades is to Scratch? It's no mystery! They are both rabid anti-Mormons! They revel and praise each other in their "mission" to destroy Mormonism. You think this site is "objective". Then you live in Disneyland. But I don't blame you. I only realised this by doing some "historical research" (and I have a lot more to come). Is this a "free speech board"? Then grant me my free speech.

Shades and Scratch had all this well and perfectly designed from the start:

But let's get back to what is normal for us to put on the internet after Mr. Scratch said he "put out a general call for stories, tidbits, and any other information" on the people we want to make fun of by name. Can't wait for the goodies you guys dig up on the people we hate! It got rave reviews from us!

Then he quotes Scratch's DUPES praising him for doing the dirty on Mormons or Mormon apologists, the people they hate. Make no mistake, Shades encouraged Scratch to "dig up dirt" on Mormons. That's what he/they did to me, too. Dig all the dirt you can find! And POST IT! Shades, you are a piece of low life S***. And I hope more and more honest people here realise that. That's why Moniker is so confused about your "decisions" about what to place where, and your waffling. You leave all the anti-Mormon S*** in the Terrestrial so your dupes can digest it, and salivate over it. Your false pretense of "objectivity" is nothing but a SHAM! A cover for your virulent anti-Mormon sentiment. And your naïve posters lap it all up. Or, maybe they just love and encourage you! I'm sure they do, and will defend you.

But be careful. If you expose or attack MDB, or reveal Shades identity without his permission, this will be the result (quoting Keene):

3.) Don't think that you are anonymous on the web, especially from me. If you create a problem, whether on this site or not, you will be responsible for it. Legal repurcussions can and will be taken if necessary.

You can't hide from Keene, because he can track you down, and reveal who you are. First, let me give you his comment on "the retarded", which Shades glorifies:

4.) Revenge on the internet is like winning the special olympics. Yeah, you won, but you're still retarded.

Then this warning:

3.) Don't think that you are anonymous on the web, especially from me. If you create a problem, whether on this site or not, you will be responsible for it. Legal repurcussions can and will be taken if necessary.

Keene is the "all-seeing" eye. "Legal repurcussions [sic]" will occur. But, I have ONLY posted what's available on the Internet, so Keene will have a difficult time prosecuting me.
Go ahead, Scratch and Shades, reveal all you want from my past posts. I will let honest people judge you. And if you want to keep playing this "game", I have more to come.

Let's see if I'm the first one banned from MDB.

Someone told me that I was mentioned on this thread, so I'm starting with the OP. Gason Jallentine was not Shades, Ray.

[_Jersey Girl]

My God, Ray. What an idiot you are. Once again, your white-hot rage has incapacitated your ability to think straight. It really is baffling that, in your Ahab-like quest to stick a harpoon into me, you would want to attack Dr. Shades this way. Shades had nothing whatsoever to do with those extremely nasty ZLMB posts. If anything, those posts were retaliation for the dossiers I'd done on Pahoran and juliann. Do you not remember the "Mr. Itchy" blog at all? You need to make sure you've got your facts straight before you start flailing about in this fashion.

Anyways, I looked pretty deeply into this whole affair not terribly long ago. (Just ask Jersey Girl, who is also innocent in this.) If you want another "lead," I suggest that you look up the posts of "Mrs. Robbins" using the search engine right here on MDB. Based on the style, it seems pretty likely that "Mrs. Robbins" was juliann. Also, according to at least one "tipster," the Mr. Itchy blog employed British spellings (e.g., "favour") which were later edited out.

If you want to know a bit more about how your LDS pals on MAD behave, Ray, then know this: juliann, Pahoran and Co. threw Kerry Shirts under the bus during all of this. In other words, juliann and/or Pah both deliberately wrote posts on Z with the intention of making Shades, Jersey, and et. al. think that Shirts was behind the whole "Mr. Itchy" fiasco. Real nice folks, eh?

This really cuts to the chase about why I have issues with you, Ray. Aside from the fact that you began screaming that I was a "LIAR!!!" long before my "Many Faces of Ray A" thread, and despite your knuckledheaded conspiracy theories about the "LDS holocaust," you are essentially battling on behalf of people such as Pahoran and juliann, and attacking innocents like Dr. Shades in the process.

You want to continue going after me? Fine, because hey---let's face it---I *am* kind of a bastard sometimes. I readily admit it. But, for the most part, I do try to get at the truth, and do try to honestly put the Mopologists in their place. But Dr. Shades is innocent. No need to attack him to get at me, mate.

Thank you for speaking the truth about Kerry.

[_Jersey Girl]

Ray,

Forget it. I'm not responding to each and every post that you or anyone else has made here. Here is my testimony and I will likely get some of the chronology a little out of order but if you're serious about wanting to know what happened, you can check some of my posts on this board regarding chronology.

I knew Juliann's, Pahoran's and Shade's real names before I ever posted on this board or the MDB that preceeded it. I knew the names from links made on either Z or FAIR to articles written by them. For some reason I think I knew Shade's name from some link he might have had to a website he had online a long time ago. I don't know if that's still online.

What you are looking at Ray, isn't an isolated incident on ZLMB. It started on another thread where (I could be mistaken) Shades was announcing that this board was back online after a short period of being offline. One or more posters asked about the content on this board and posting person's real life names. They were referring to Scratch's blog entries wherein he named Juliann and Pahoran by first and last names.

When I saw the inquiry to Shades on ZLMB, I almost immediately created a thread here in the Terrestrial (I think the title was Mr. Scratch a word with you please) to let Scratch know about the inquiries. You can look it up here to put it in the chronology.

The following things happened by I might have the chronology out of order....again, you can search both boards to piece it together.

1. ZLMB was hit by a number of trolls (Shades listed them in one of his posts here). One of the trolls was posting as "Gason Jallentine" and parodying Shades. That is to say, they were posting as if they were Shades. Don Bradley appears on one of the threads and thinks it's Shades. Gason Jallentine responds to Don Bradley with something about there being "too many crazy broads" on ZLMB and that he should check out his new website.

2. I was banned from FAIR on Nov 5th along with others. I honestly can't remember the date of onset for the trolls but you should have no trouble finding at least some of their early posts. Most of the threads containing troll posts were in BT. There were posts made by RandyMD in RT.

3. The Itchy Blog went up during this time. I did post the date here on MDB in a post.

4. One of the trolls was Melody (a spoof on harmony).

5. During some periods of time, the trolls were posting in concert. It is possible that it was one poster switching back and forth between screen name accounts.

6. There was one post by Gason Jallentine (it could have been in the thread you cited in your OP here, I'd have to look) that appeared to be Kerry. I didn't tell anyone for a fairly long time that I thought it was Kerry.

7. From the onset of the trolls, I was in contact with Shades (no one else knows this publicly until now). I didn't know that his family member's names appeared on ZLMB because I didn't know their names. I likewise had no idea that anything on the Itchy Blog was in reference to Scratch because again, I didn't know anything about Scratch and wouldn't have recognized it.

8. At some point, I PM'd Cal to ask her if she'd checked the IP addresses of the trolls and I believe I asked her to tell me the location of Gason Jallentine. This was long before I ever told anyone that I thought it was Kerry.

9. In her reply, she told me that all of the trolls had different IP addresses and what did I expect?

10. Following that she made a public post admonishing me for asking for IP addresses.

11. You will see discrepancies in Cal's posts. I will tell you what they are but you'll have to find them yourself:

That one moderator stuck up for me.
That more than one moderator stuck up for me (enough mod's in her corner)
That I shared IP addresses with some of the trolls (contrary to what she had said in PM's that they all had different IP addresses) and what she meant was that my IP address was the same as "some of the trolls".

12. Shades was banned and in the same thread, I was banned too.

13. I was later reinstated but chose not to post again because I thought something was fishy with Cal. What I didn't know about Cal was that she and Juliann were/are close friends. I learned that by reading FAIR and MAD.

In any case, at no time did I think Shades was any of the trolls. I don't know what kind of fool you take me for. I have been a staunch supporter of MDB from the very first version of MDB. You can see my posts all over ZLMB cheering Shades on. I have known Shades since the first year I'd say of my posting on ZLMB. I cheered on his new board because I already had an impression of his integrity.

I remain a staunch supporter of MDB and I say without question that Shades is of good character and solid integrity. If he were not, I wouldn't be posting on this board nor would I have spent so much time and effort trying first to mediate between Scratch and the first inquiries about his blog and later, confronting the Z trolls.

I suppose I have left something out here but I will tell you this straight up, Ray. You're barking up the wrong tree here. Again, this wasn't one isolated incident. You would have had to be following MDB, ZLMB and the Itchy Blog simultaneously as I was to know what took place.

Yes, Kerry was thrown under the bus.
Yes, the trolls made it appear as if Gason Jallentine was Kerry in at least one or two posts.

In the past year or so, I took a moment to review the posts made by the trolls on ZLMB. Instead of looking at the few posts that I thought were made by Kerry, I looked at all made by Gason Jallentine and the others. I did some textual research on their posts between ZLMB and FAIR.

My conclusion was that Kerry was not involved. As soon as I was convinced of that, I offered a public apology on this board. I also offered one privately as if that's any of your business.

Now, take the search engine on this board and search for the word "Itchy". Go back to the very first references to "Itchy" on this board and you tell me Ray....what poster coined the "Itchy" title?

I expect a response to that question and I expect it fast. I want YOU and no one else to name the poster on this thread in a post made by you.

[_Yoda]

I don't choose to rehash my prior history with Juliann, other than to say that she can be extremely hostile and vindictive. I think we have all seen that at one point or another.

As far as Shades' character, I would like to add my two cents, and vouch for him. He is a very kind, intelligent person. He has been a supportive friend to me over the past two years that I have had the pleasure of knowing him, and I support his vision for this site. I wouldn't have volunteered to be a Moderator here if I didn't support that.

Without even reading endless rehashed threads, I can tell you that Shades would not have made off color remarks regarding retarded children. It is not in his character to do so.

[_Jersey Girl]

It is my understanding that Ray has bowed out of this thread. Having said that, and at the outside chance that he will read here...in examining this series of events, I think what Ray failed to do was to consider motive. When placed in the context of motive, there is no reason to think that Shades had anything more to do with the onset of the Z trolls other than responding to them. Who had motive to create the Itchy Blog?

I won't answer that question on this board. Draw whatever conclusions you will, Ray.

[_dartagnan]

Give Ray the opportunity to admit he jumped to conclusions. I don't think he is below that.