Gadianton wrote:Lately I'm having a tough time keeping up on threads and didn't see this one is a few days old. Runtu, this situation was perfect, it couldn't have been better. Irrespective of what he said, he believed you, or at least he's very afraid you are right. If you approached him in some kind and gentle way, immediatly you have an agenda. The fact is, he was eavesdropping. Someone came to you with a question, you matter-of-factly proceeded to answer with documentation. And he was watching. There was absolutely no way for him to question your authenticity.
He told me today that he had done some research and--surprise!--I was right. Not that!
Seriously...why is BY's polygam/.polyandry just fine, but MADites will fight tooth and nail to make sure Joseph Smith never had sex with anyone but Emma???
My favorite post was jadams...
It might be of help to suggest to the guy you shocked for him to remember that men can be sealed to more than one woman in the celestial kingdom and this is the reason for early polygamy, wheather it be right or wrong in the long run and wheather this beleife was abused by some in the early church, and also you must admit theres a very high possibility that the source you are reading from might be excagerated a bit and twisted out of direction and complete truth. and J.S was not perfect nor was any other prophet or apostle thruout biblical and or modern scripture, it might be a good thing for you to point these things out to the guy.
Yeah, the familysearch website is an anti-Mormon, truth distorting entity.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
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Scottie wrote:I honestly don't understand the logic.
Seriously...why is BY's polygam/.polyandry just fine, but MADites will fight tooth and nail to make sure Joseph Smith never had sex with anyone but Emma???
My favorite post was jadams...
It might be of help to suggest to the guy you shocked for him to remember that men can be sealed to more than one woman in the celestial kingdom and this is the reason for early polygamy, wheather it be right or wrong in the long run and wheather this beleife was abused by some in the early church, and also you must admit theres a very high possibility that the source you are reading from might be excagerated a bit and twisted out of direction and complete truth. and J.S was not perfect nor was any other prophet or apostle thruout biblical and or modern scripture, it might be a good thing for you to point these things out to the guy.
Yeah, the familysearch website is an anti-Mormon, truth distorting entity.
I would imagine that most people who deny that Joseph Smith was sexually intimate with his wives have not read any of the evidence.
I would imagine that most people who deny that Joseph Smith was sexually intimate with his wives have not read any of the evidence.
I don't know...
There are a LOT of MADites that still fight it, with full knowledge of the evidences.
For some reason, it has to be an air tight, absolute, no question about it before they will allow the evidences to point that way.
As long as there is another way to look at it, they will.
I'm also getting really sick of hearing about presentism. If it were so widely accepted during that time, then why hide it and why destroy a press because they were going to print it??
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
I would imagine that most people who deny that Joseph Smith was sexually intimate with his wives have not read any of the evidence.
I don't know...
There are a LOT of MADites that still fight it, with full knowledge of the evidences.
For some reason, it has to be an air tight, absolute, no question about it before they will allow the evidences to point that way.
As long as there is another way to look at it, they will.
I'm also getting really sick of hearing about presentism. If it were so widely accepted during that time, then why hide it and why destroy a press because they were going to print it??
Yup. If there's no sex involved, there was no need for all the secrecy. Can you imagine the conversation?
"Don't let Emma find out that some women were sealed to me as purely a loosely dynastic adoptive sealing."
Instead you get, "I'm so lonesome without you. Please come, but make sure Emma doesn't know about it."
The people who deny this stuff have to know on some level that they're full of crap.
Why would Joseph's polygamy, polyandry, 14-year old wives, etc. come as any surprise to a TBM? According to the apologists at MADB, these things are taught to all TBMs from primary on up. I'm sure the nursery kids even sing songs about it. If a TBM doesn't already know these "issues" it's their own fault for not paying attention.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
SatanWasSetUp wrote:Why would Joseph's polygamy, polyandry, 14-year old wives, etc. come as any surprise to a TBM? According to the apologists at MADB, these things are taught to all TBMs from primary on up. I'm sure the nursery kids even sing songs about it. If a TBM doesn't already know these "issues" it's their own fault for not paying attention.
Never mind that the sealing power wasn't supposedly restored to the earth until 1835. What's 4+ years of lies and deception between prophet and wife and members anyway?
SatanWasSetUp love your humor, perfect mopologist's point of view. There's probably a mod opening over at MADB if you're interested.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably. bcspace