Gangbang at MADB

[_antishock8]

Hell, trying to get "Christians" to agree on the nature of god or what a "true Christian" is like trying to get a Mopologist to admit, well, anything.

[_Moniker]

I've decided I'm a Christian.

[_beastie]

Many of the same believers who get huffy when mainstream christians say Mormons aren't christians also get huffy when offshoot fundie Mormon groups are referred to as "Mormon".

[_CaliforniaKid]

DCP Calls Christians "anti-Christ"

I generally try to restrain my anti-DCP sentiment, but I have to say that reading the first page and a half or so of that thread has left be highly aggravated with the good Doktor.

[_charity]

Dan stood up for her how?

Learn to read for once in your life. I said I read the first couple of threads until I realized she was banned. Then I stopped. I jumped to the last page only to see if it had been closed, but I saw Dan complaining about her participation at CARM. Where did he stand up for her? Does that mean she will be unbanned?

Post #467
I don't gloat over Carmella in the slightest. I find her inability to grasp what seems to me a painfully obvious point truly stunning. I don't think it's the result of intellectual incapacity she seemed reasonably bright. I chalk it up, instead, to the awesome power of ideology to blind people -- and I don't think anybody is altogether exempt from this [/b]-- so that they can't see relatively obvious things

[_beastie]

I don't gloat over Carmella in the slightest. I find her inability to grasp what seems to me a painfully obvious point truly stunning. I don't think it's the result of intellectual incapacity she seemed reasonably bright. I chalk it up, instead, to the awesome power of ideology to blind people -- and I don't think anybody is altogether exempt from this [/b]-- so that they can't see relatively obvious things

Someone call 911. I just had a heart attack.

[_Pokatator]

Dan stood up for her how?

Learn to read for once in your life. I said I read the first couple of threads until I realized she was banned. Then I stopped. I jumped to the last page only to see if it had been closed, but I saw Dan complaining about her participation at CARM. Where did he stand up for her? Does that mean she will be unbanned?

Post #467
I don't gloat over Carmella in the slightest. I find her inability to grasp what seems to me a painfully obvious point truly stunning. I don't think it's the result of intellectual incapacity she seemed reasonably bright. I chalk it up, instead, to the awesome power of ideology to blind people -- and I don't think anybody is altogether exempt from this [/b]-- so that they can't see relatively obvious things

There is a joke about a guy that was very inept about women. He and a buddy went to a dance. The one buddy was afraid to dance so the other buddy coached him. He told him to just ask someone and then say something nice and nature would take its course. He asked a lady and they were on the dance floor and he seemed to be getting the hang of it and it was looking like everything was going grand when all of sudden the lady stopped abruptly and slapped the guy across the face and stomped off.

The guy came back to his buddy and the buddy asked, "What happened?" He said, "All I did was what you told me and to say something nice". The buddy asked, "What did you say?" He said, "All I said was, for as big and fat as you are and for as much as you sweat you sure don't stink much."

That joke reminds me of having Dr. Peterson "standing up for" this lady.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I'm left shaking my head that Carmella posted 110 posts in one day....don't these people have lives?

[_BishopRic]

Dan stood up for her how?

Learn to read for once in your life. I said I read the first couple of threads until I realized she was banned. Then I stopped. I jumped to the last page only to see if it had been closed, but I saw Dan complaining about her participation at CARM. Where did he stand up for her? Does that mean she will be unbanned?

Post #467
I don't gloat over Carmella in the slightest. I find her inability to grasp what seems to me a painfully obvious point truly stunning. I don't think it's the result of intellectual incapacity she seemed reasonably bright. I chalk it up, instead, to the awesome power of ideology to blind people -- and I don't think anybody is altogether exempt from this [/b]-- so that they can't see relatively obvious things

If this is how a friend "stands up" for me, I don't need needs enemies?!

[_Jason Bourne]

And its up to Mormons to decide if they fit in?

Mormons are Christian because they have always claimed to be such. Not orthodox but Christian none the less.

And why would they want to given the history of LDS bigotry towards "Christendom"? Brigham Young loved to speak of a dichotomy between the saints and the rest of Christianity. But in those days, there was no need to be accepted by Christianity. Now there is

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The 19th century rhetoric was slanted towards the claim that Christianity was aposate and the LDS church was an is the Christian Church, not the others. Mormons never claimed not to be Christian. The attack from fundie EVs that Mormons are not Christian is designed to marginalize the LDS Church and what you see now is the reaction along with a desire to be more accepted.

Now, because it is politically necessary, Mormonism feels it needs to avoid all suspicion of being a sect or cult by riding on the coat tails of Christainity, claiming it is just another one of the many versions of it.

No not now. Mormons always claimed to be the restored Christian Church. Clearly the rhetoric of the 19th century had been toned down in order to get along better with our neighbors so to speak.

Well, when you have the vast majority of the Christian world decidely accepting thousands of sects as Christian, while at the same time rejecting Mormonism as non-Christian, I think that this in and of itself proves there are serious differences that cannot be overcome. The nature of God is only one of them.

TO say the LDS Church is not an orthodox Christian sect or to say it is a heritical Christian sect based on historical Christian doctrine would be fine. To totally reject the LDS Church is not correct.

Imagine a politician running as a Republican, even though virtually all of his policies reflect a liberal philosophy. It isn't bigotry for the Republican party to question the veracity of a candidate's conservativeness, and to make judgments based on the hit and misses, so why is it bigotry for the Christian world to decide if they want Mormonism to be included under the rubric of Christian?

John McCain is not an orthodox conservative republican but claims to be a republican none the less.

I see Mormonism and Mormons trying to cling onto the Christian label for the same reasons politicians need to be considered part of a big, powerful political party. Even if they aren't really Republican or Democrat, they know that to be successful, they need to convince everyone that they are one or the other. They know they don't have much of a chance running as an independent or Libertarian, just like Mormons know they don't have much of a chance being successful without claiming some kind of implicit marriage with what everyone considers Christianity. The Church doesn't send missionaries out into the Christian world to say, yes, our theologies are very different, let me tell you why ours is right. Instead, they're supposed to follow the steps outlined for them, and the first one is BRT (Build Relationships of Trust) by trying to first convince the prospective convert that Mormons are really just Christians like anyone else.

The Church sends missionaries out because at its core it believes it is the Only True and Living Christian Church. In the purest sense the LDS Church should claim that there is no valid Christianity except the LDS Church.