Cafeteria Mormons

[_Blixa]

Someday I hope you buy you lunch or something.

Sounds like a plan. We can meet at the Mormon Cafeteria in the big mall. Can't wait for a plate of twice cooked Christian Gospel, a side of the Four Noble Truth and perhaps a Course in Miracles. Besides that, did someone mention a greased pig?

Those prix fixes meals at the table d'hôte just can't compare with a good international buffet in preparation for the BIG BANQUET in the restaurant at the end of the Universe.

Heh. Well alls I know is---you're definitely having lunch with me when I return this summer!!!! NO EXCUSES!!!

[_Jersey Girl]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

Now that I have thought about it, there is far too much that is tied to Smith, more than is tied to Jesus, for LDS Inc to start a reformation let alone survive one.

[_Jersey Girl]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

Now that I have thought about it, there is far too much that is tied to Smith, more than is tied to Jesus, for LDS Inc to start a reformation let alone survive one.

So, if Joseph Smith were discredited as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion, what do you think would be the result or reaction?

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

Now that I have thought about it, there is far too much that is tied to Smith, more than is tied to Jesus, for LDS Inc to start a reformation let alone survive one.

So, if Joseph Smith were discredited as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion, what do you think would be the result or reaction?

WTF? He did produce the Book of Mormon. Most believe he and others produced it. Mindless fools believe he translated it.

[_Jersey Girl]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

Now that I have thought about it, there is far too much that is tied to Smith, more than is tied to Jesus, for LDS Inc to start a reformation let alone survive one.

So, if Joseph Smith were discredited as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion, what do you think would be the result or reaction?

WTF? He did produce the Book of Mormon. Most believe he and others produced it. Mindless fools believe he translated it.

Let me rephrase. What if Joseph Smith were proved beyond a shawdow of a doubt as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion. Forget what you think you know, Porter. What if that were to happen? What would the possible result or reaction be?

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

Now that I have thought about it, there is far too much that is tied to Smith, more than is tied to Jesus, for LDS Inc to start a reformation let alone survive one.

So, if Joseph Smith were discredited as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion, what do you think would be the result or reaction?

WTF? He did produce the Book of Mormon. Most believe he and others produced it. Mindless fools believe he translated it.

Let me rephrase. What if Joseph Smith were proved beyond a shawdow of a doubt as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion. Forget what you think you know, Porter. What if that were to happen? What would the possible result or reaction be?

WTF^2 ?
(WTF squared)

So you are asking IF it were proven that smith had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon being printed and distributed????

HUH?

So forgetting all I think and know, some missionary shows me a Book of Mormon and tells me that Smith translated it and I tell him, "Oh it has already been proven that Smith had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon whatsoever!"

*shaking head, raising eyebrows*

[_Jersey Girl]

I've been called a cafeteria Mormon so often, I should be insulted. But how could I be, since a cafeteria Mormon is exactly what I am, and exactly what every Mormon should be. We constantly sift the information given to us over the years and over our lifetimes to find the gems of God-breathed truth. We know we cannot trust the prophets to be infallible; we know they have been wrong before; we know that which is right today will be moved to the past tomorrow.

So yes, I am a cafeteria Mormon. I pick and choose among all that is on the table to find that which is pertinent to me today, knowing it will likely change tomorrow. Why is this considered to be such a bad thing, by both ex-mos and TBM's? Why is it so difficult to allow someone to do exactly what we have all been commanded to do?

harm,

I've been called many things online ;-) including a cafeteria Christian as if that's a bad thing.

Cafeteria=discerning/thinking

:-D

[_Jersey Girl]

Dream on Jason. Nobody could cause a reformation of the LDS church.

That is absolutely untrue and you know it, Boaz. For every change the church has undertaken, it started somewhere. The temple penalties are gone, the garments have changed, the meeting schedule has changed... those are just a few examples of changes caused by members like Jason.

Hardly a reformation.

Besides, the leadership never addresses these changes as such, they are called *bass drum roll with echoy booming voice* REVELATIONS!

What would you consider a reformation for the LDS Church?

Now that I have thought about it, there is far too much that is tied to Smith, more than is tied to Jesus, for LDS Inc to start a reformation let alone survive one.

So, if Joseph Smith were discredited as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion, what do you think would be the result or reaction?

WTF? He did produce the Book of Mormon. Most believe he and others produced it. Mindless fools believe he translated it.

Let me rephrase. What if Joseph Smith were proved beyond a shawdow of a doubt as not having produced the Book of Mormon in any form or fashion. Forget what you think you know, Porter. What if that were to happen? What would the possible result or reaction be?

WTF^2 ?
(WTF squared)

So you are asking IF it were proven that smith had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon being printed and distributed????

HUH?

So forgetting all I think and know, some missionary shows me a Book of Mormon and tells me that Smith translated it and I tell him, "Oh it has already been proven that Smith had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon whatsoever!"

*shaking head, raising eyebrows*

Third time's a charm! I'm not talking about printing and distributing. I'm talking:

No First Vision
No Gold Plates
No Translation via hat/seer stone, etc.

Nada.

Zip.

Whaddaya think the reaction would be?

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Third time's a charm! I'm not talking about printing and distributing. I'm talking:

No First Vision
No Gold Plates
No Translation via hat/seer stone, etc.

Nada.

Zip.

Whaddaya think the reaction would be?

Uhhhh according to the dead one(Gordon) you can skip the last two on your list as he said the entire validity of LDS rest upon the first vision actually happening.

That has already been proven to be more lore than factual event with all of the journal entries and documented changes to it.

And what has that done?

A fair number of thinkers have left.

For grins, lets examine if there were no gold plates.

There were none. The burden is not on outside to prove they did not exist. It is on those who claimed they did exist. None of Smiths so called witnesses were credible. They were all connected to Smith by blood or marriage.

Why didn't smith show them to his father-in-law Mr. Hale? Perhaps because he was too educated?

I will loosen the evidence requirements and drop the proof of the plates, just show me the damn stone box!