Is the LDS Church Psychopathic?

[_Yoda]

The LDS Church is a corporation, which makes it a person according to the US government.

I understand the legal aspects of a corporation being a person. Are you actually claiming that this makes it a live sentient being? Maybe prozac would help then.

LOL! I love this! Great answer! ;)

[_John Larsen]

The LDS Church is a corporation, which makes it a person according to the US government.

I understand the legal aspects of a corporation being a person. Are you actually claiming that this makes it a live sentient being? Maybe proszac would help then.

I refer you to what I said earlier on this question:

The Church is obviously not a human being, but to extend to it the roles and responsibilities we give to humans is a useful analogy. Another way to ask this question is, if the Church were a person, would we tolerate its behavior?

[_JAK]

Psychopathy is not a clinical term, however the more technical terms “sociopathy", “Dissocial personality disorder” or “Antisocial Personality Disorder” is used. The World Health Organization in ICD-10 defines this condition as have at least three of the following traits:

a. callous unconcern for the feelings of others;

Where would this manifest? There is humanitarian aid --- this doesn't fit.

b. gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations;

Yet, the Church does (grudgingly it appears) shift to change policies to fit within social norms, rules, and obligations.

c. incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;

I'm not sure how this would fit? With outsiders? Or with those in the Church?

d. very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;

I don't see this as fitting. Is there violence (currently) attributed to the Church?

e. incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment;

Hmm... maybe? Not sure about this one.

f. marked proneness to blame others, or to offer plausible rationalizations, for the behavior that has brought the patient into conflict with society.

This quite possibly is a yes. For instance the speaking of persecution and yet not discussing the reasons for the persecution of the early Saints.

Is the LDS Church a psychopath?

No.

Moniker stated:
Yet, the Church does (grudgingly it appears) shift to change policies to fit within social norms, rules, and obligations.

First, Moniker, an apology for pulling this from the total of your comments/responses.

What you characterize here is doctrinal shift. It is the history in the evolution of religion(s).

We have more than 1,000 religious organizations which regard themselves as Christian. Christianity has had a relatively long time to evolve. Each schism, division, and the latest, the Protestant Reformation (1517), is part of the history or the evolution of religion(s).

That you recognize it (even as you express it) is to your credit and should receive compliment for your capacity to think.

Recognizing that I am not addressing the stated topic, I thought it a compliment appropriate to you as you think in a larger way than any given religious bias would want you to think.

JAK

[Guest]

dagnabbit -- see what happens when I think!

[_Moniker]

That you recognize it (even as you express it) is to your credit and should receive compliment for your capacity to think.

Recognizing that I am not addressing the stated topic, I thought it a compliment appropriate to you as you think in a larger way than any given religious bias would want you to think.

JAK

Thanks, JAK! I do at times think. Not too often. I usually just sit about with a vacant look on my face. A spurt of soda every so often.

[_solomarineris]

Psychopathy is not a clinical term, however the more technical terms “sociopathy", “Dissocial personality disorder” or “Antisocial Personality Disorder” is used. The World Health Organization in ICD-10 defines this condition as have at least three of the following traits:

a. callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
b. gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations;
c. incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
d. very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
e. incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
f. marked proneness to blame others, or to offer plausible rationalizations, for the behavior that has brought the patient into conflict with society.

Is the LDS Church a psychopath?

The LDS Church is not a person. So no, it cannot be psychopathic.

The LDS Church is a corporation, which makes it a person according to the US government.

I think you've got it all wrong here for making such a statement.
Church is not an individual. No matter what you think of it's goals and veracity, it consists tens of thousands of individuals, to call them psychopath is akin to calling another segment of society with slurs.
I know lots of good Mormon people (some my family), they are no psychopaths.
I wouldn't mind your calling the leadership as such but people of the church don't deserve this label at all.

I think you should apologize for making such a thoughtless remark.

[_John Larsen]

Psychopathy is not a clinical term, however the more technical terms “sociopathy", “Dissocial personality disorder” or “Antisocial Personality Disorder” is used. The World Health Organization in ICD-10 defines this condition as have at least three of the following traits:

a. callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
b. gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations;
c. incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
d. very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
e. incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
f. marked proneness to blame others, or to offer plausible rationalizations, for the behavior that has brought the patient into conflict with society.

Is the LDS Church a psychopath?

The LDS Church is not a person. So no, it cannot be psychopathic.

The LDS Church is a corporation, which makes it a person according to the US government.

I think you've got it all wrong here for making such a statement.
Church is not an individual. No matter what you think of it's goals and veracity, it consists tens of thousands of individuals, to call them psychopath is akin to calling another segment of society with slurs.
I know lots of good Mormon people (some my family), they are no psychopaths.
I wouldn't mind your calling the leadership as such but people of the church don't deserve this label at all.

I think you should apologize for making such a thoughtless remark.

First of all I would refer you to my previous comments:

I don't mean to imply that the members or leadership are psychopathic, just the institution.

The Church is obviously not a human being, but to extend to it the roles and responsibilities we give to humans is a useful analogy. Another way to ask this question is, if the Church were a person, would we tolerate its behavior?

It would do you well to read through the posts before demanding apology.

Your concern goes to the heart of the matter. The fact is, LDS people and its leadership are not Psychopathic--obviously. Nor does being a member cause individuals to act psychopathically. However, the institution acts in a way that is psycopathic if you consider it as if those same behavior patterns are applied to an individual.

The collective "Church" thus will do things that individuals participating would never do. Each individual plays a role, but no one individual is culpable--thus the inherent evil in institutions.

[_solomarineris]

It would do you well to read through the posts before demanding apology.

I did read your whole post.
Please reconsider.

[_JAK]

That you recognize it (even as you express it) is to your credit and should receive compliment for your capacity to think.

Recognizing that I am not addressing the stated topic, I thought it a compliment appropriate to you as you think in a larger way than any given religious bias would want you to think.

JAK

Thanks, JAK! I do at times think. Not too often. I usually just sit about with a vacant look on my face. A spurt of soda every so often.

Hey Moniker,

I doubt your own self-deprecating evaluation. I happen to think you have much potential which is likely being realized.

Most people affiliated with religious organizations do not do much real thinking. And religious organizations don’t encourage it. It is a threat when individuals begin to think. They may come to different conclusions, become cafeteria instructionalers. That tends to be bad news for any given organization which seeks to dominate the view.

JAK

[_solomarineris]

[quote="
It would do you well to read through the posts before demanding apology.
Your concern goes to the heart of the matter. The fact is, LDS people and its leadership are not Psychopathic--obviously. Nor does being a member cause individuals to act psychopathically. However, the institution acts in a way that is psycopathic if you consider it as if those same behavior patterns are applied to an individual.
The collective "Church" thus will do things that individuals participating would never do. Each individual plays a role, but no one individual is culpable--thus the inherent evil in institutions.[/quote]

Is the Orthodox Jewish religion psychopatic?

I'd say if compare to Mormons their laws are far more deranged than Mormons.
But I wouldn't use such a collective assesment of them.
Their 613 laws make WoW a cakewalk if you compare to. Using generalizations about an Institution is not ethical.
If you were to single out Grosskreutz's, JoD's, Temple Ceremony it would be OK.