Christ as proper name?

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liz3564 wrote:Jesus Christ is more or less a "nickname" or a shortcut reference.

Yes, it's a short version. His full name is Jesus H. Christ.
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Sethbag wrote:
liz3564 wrote:Jesus Christ is more or less a "nickname" or a shortcut reference.

Yes, it's a short version. His full name is Jesus H. Christ.


LOL! I just about splattered Pepsi all over my screen.
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Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

When I was a kid I used to think his name was Jesus Christ, and he probably had a middle name, and it most likely started with H. I assumed his dad was named Joseph Christ, and Mary had a maiden name but became Mary Christ after she married Joseph. A few years later I learned that his name was just Jesus, or Jesus of Nazareth, and Christ was his title. Even most Mormons who aren't little kids understand this, and Joseph certainly knew that Christ was just a title. I wonder how this got into the Book of Mormon as anyone involved in it's production, whether it be real Nephites, or Joseph Smith, or Sidney Rigdon or whoever, would know that Christ was not a name. This is an apologetic opportunity. Since Joseph Smith knew that Christ was a title and not a name, this proves he did not write the Book of Mormon. What I see in this verse is a guy dictating a story, and then clarifying himself mid sentence. I picture Joseph said Christ, and quickly realized that his name was never mentioned in the Old Testament, and quickly made up a story of an angel giving him the name. But that's just me being skeptical.
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It is amazing that Mormon's language exactly lines up with the subtitle distinctions between Hellenize Hebrew and the Greek equivalent.
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Post by _ludwigm »

As a non-english I see a lot of linguistic issue differently.

One thing is certain, the Book of Mormon uses all three word. Christ, Messiah, anointed/anoint/anointing.
Originally the Book of Mormon was written in reformed egyptian. According to this, in RE, in writing there was three different word to describe the same, and all three had existed in the spoken hebrew-like language. And all three word was used in Zarahemla with the same logic as we use them in our language today.

For me, there is only one explanation. Apologists may have hundred.
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Post by _CaliforniaKid »

If the Book of Mormon had given his name as Yeshua, they might have something there. Alas! It doesn't. That's because it's a fraud, in case anyone was wondering.
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Post by _moksha »

Runtu wrote:
This is one of those passages that makes more sense (albeit not complete sense) if you imagine that the angel and Jacob both spoke English.


Or at least French.
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

Perhaps it has something to do with the Book of Mormon being the "most correct book on earth"?

God being the omnipotent rascal he was/is he knew the Book of Mormon would indeed be the "most correct book on earth", so he gave more Greek-derived titles in pre-Christian times to these, the future authors of the "most correct book on earth".

God played favorites with the authors of the Book of Mormon over the Bible.
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Re: Christ as proper name?

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Runtu wrote:Last night I was reading in 2 Nephi 10 and came across this passage


Why?
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Re: Christ as proper name?

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harmony wrote:
Runtu wrote:Last night I was reading in 2 Nephi 10 and came across this passage


Why?


For some bizarre reason I started reading the Book of Mormon again. I can't explain why. Just figured it would be interesting reading mixed in with the other books I'm reading.
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