Are there any moral absolutes?

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_Canucklehead
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bcspace wrote:Everything is black and white, no exceptions (as you well know from my response in the MADB). Where people see shades of gray are really just areas in which there is not enough information to make a judgement or (and I did not mention this on the MADB) the question has not been broken down into it's lowest common denominator (sub questions).


Murder is ok if it's a rich guy who has some brass plates that you want, but in other cases, it's a crime severe enough to warrant eternal banishment to outer darkness?

Yep, seems pretty "black and white" to me. Not relative at all.
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Obedience to God and His church is the only absolute I know of.

Absolutes include:
Thou shalt not steal from God or His servants
Thou shalt not lie to God or His servants.
Thou shalt not murder God's servants.
Thou shalt not covet what God's servants have.
Thou shalt not worship other Gods.


Also, I don't think God will change His mind about the necessity of repentance, baptism, fath, marriage, and other saving ordinances and principles.
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asbestosman wrote:Obedience to God and His church.


If this were only so, I would add love God, yourself and others, but people decided these things on their own. So maybe there are still commandments chiseled on rocks somewhere, but the belief and adherence to them seems to vary per the individual.
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Wait, I think I have one: Baklava is morally superior to donuts.
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moksha wrote:Wait, I think I have one: Baklava is morally superior to donuts.


Are you kidding?? Do you know how many robberies are committed by people wearing those things?
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Canucklehead wrote:
moksha wrote:Wait, I think I have one: Baklava is morally superior to donuts.


Are you kidding?? Do you know how many robberies are committed by people wearing those things?


A lot less than by those wearing strudel.
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Canucklehead wrote:The only absolute moral axiom that I can think of which withstands scrutiny is that the same moral principles that we wish to apply to other people should equally be applied to ourselves. I.e. Nobody is "above the law", whatever that law might be.


Including the president who just does what he wants and rules it the law.

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Strange as it may seem to others, I consider this letter to Nancy Rigdon to be an important component of my religious belief. Of course, I’m not alone. Parts of this letter have been quoted from the general conference pulpit for many, many years.



Sure. This part:

“Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God.


I used to think it was a profound insight...and I had even read more the remarks. But when I learned that this was a letter designed to convince a young woman to marry Joseph it took a whole new and unfortunate spin. Of course, it could be true. But how does one know when God is commanding something or another? The answer is he tells his prophet. That leads me to conclude that if God can command and revoke so liberally one better be very sure that the person that is claiming God is telling them to command and revoke is really getting it from God and not from themselves.

But there is the glitch. This theory espoused just sets up an opportunity for the person who is allegedly speaking with God to create all sorts of abuse. I am highly doubtful God would place such power with any person.


And, it cannot be denied, the concepts articulated in this letter certainly support the conclusion that “morality” is absolutely relative – at least in the view of the God whom Joseph Smith has attempted to reveal to the world.


Pretty interesting for the God that scripture, even Mormon scripture, says is unchangeable.
The trick, of course, is to be able to discern correctly, throughout one’s life, what it really is that God is telling us. I don’t believe anyone always “gets it right” when it comes to that challenge
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I believe most rarely get it right and that it is much to subjective of a proposition for anyone to trust someone else to lead them in such things as Joseph Smith was doing with Nancy Rigdon.
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Post by _harmony »

The letter to Nancy Rigdon is neither doctrine nor canon. I'm wondering why any believing member would follow it.
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moksha wrote:Wait, I think I have one: Baklava is morally superior to donuts.


Oh man! THIS is the truth! Baklava is divine.
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