Mormon posters grasp at straws to discredit dissenter

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moksha wrote:Forget about MAD. They make excuses. This matter on the other hand smacks of bungling and eclesiastial abuse. Not all members are like those defenders at MAD. I would dare say that most are of a good conscience and want to do what is right. Beyond that, there is the world at large, who are receptive to hearing about eclesiastical abuse and are sympathetic to those who have been silenced unjustly.


Sure, many church members would be appalled at what happened, but so what? There is no mechanism for members to do anything about such abuse. The only option is to speak out publicly and then get treated as the Danzigs were treated.
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I have no problem with the discrediting of Danzig. What I do have a problem with is Senator Harry Reid takes the same posiiton, is an even greater public figure, and yet he does not get excommunicated.
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bcspace wrote:I have no problem with the discrediting of Danzig. What I do have a problem with is Senator Harry Reid takes the same posiiton, is an even greater public figure, and yet he does not get excommunicated.


And that's precisely because it's no big deal to treat an average member like this. But it would make headlines around the country if they did something like that to Harry Reid.
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Runtu wrote:Sure, many church members would be appalled at what happened, but so what? There is no mechanism for members to do anything about such abuse. The only option is to speak out publicly and then get treated as the Danzigs were treated.


Well, we can suffer in silence then and hope people of good conscience outside the Church can make such stories known.

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Bcspace, why do you have no problem with discrediting the Danzigs? Did their speaking up make them an enemy?
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Runtu wrote:
bcspace wrote:I have no problem with the discrediting of Danzig. What I do have a problem with is Senator Harry Reid takes the same posiiton, is an even greater public figure, and yet he does not get excommunicated.


And that's precisely because it's no big deal to treat an average member like this. But it would make headlines around the country if they did something like that to Harry Reid.


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I have no problem with the discrediting of Danzig. What I do have a problem with is Senator Harry Reid takes the same posiiton, is an even greater public figure, and yet he does not get excommunicated.

And that's precisely because it's no big deal to treat an average member like this. But it would make headlines around the country if they did something like that to Harry Reid.


That is exactly what I think is happening here and I highly disagree with it.
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bcspace wrote:
I have no problem with the discrediting of Danzig. What I do have a problem with is Senator Harry Reid takes the same posiiton, is an even greater public figure, and yet he does not get excommunicated.

And that's precisely because it's no big deal to treat an average member like this. But it would make headlines around the country if they did something like that to Harry Reid.


That is exactly what I think is happening here and I highly disagree with it.


Instead of disagreeing because you would like to see them take on the Senator, would it not be better if they never treated any members like this?
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moksha wrote:
bcspace wrote:
I have no problem with the discrediting of Danzig. What I do have a problem with is Senator Harry Reid takes the same posiiton, is an even greater public figure, and yet he does not get excommunicated.

And that's precisely because it's no big deal to treat an average member like this. But it would make headlines around the country if they did something like that to Harry Reid.


That is exactly what I think is happening here and I highly disagree with it.


Instead of disagreeing because you would like to see them take on the Senator, would it not be better if they never treated any members like this?
The public humiliation of the Danzig family and subsequent forced resignation has served the intended purpose. Do you see bcspace standing up (in public under his real name) and expressing his personal opinion?

Hell no, he does not want to be in the same spot as the Danzig family.

Message from bc's beloved church leaders to bc: Shut up and sit down. Do as we tell you or get the bleep out.

And yet bc will parade around stating he is not controlled by the leaders of the LDS cult. A-friggin-mazing.

Edit to add: Is it just me or do you feel the only reason bc wants them to go after Reid is because he is a liberal democrat?
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Bond...James Bond wrote:PR > Consistency


Good one, Bond! So true.

Bcspace, I must ask you this: Was Harry Reid elected to serve the interests of A) the LDS Hierarchy, or was he elected to serve the interests of B) his Nevada constituents?
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Over at MADB Smac posted some excerpts about an LDS guy who publicly protested the Church's anti-gay policies. He and his wife resigned rather than be excommunicated. Smac admits that the Church's treatment of Danzig disappoints him, but apparently feels the need to defend it anyway. He takes some cheap shots at Danzig. Other posters immediately started piling on with some even lower blows, questioning Danzig and his family's basic integrity and sincerity. This kind of thing irritates me more than anything else in the world. The view that one cannot question one's ecclesiastical leaders is Medieval, anti-intellectual, and just begs for abuse.



What California Kid means here is the Church's stand on the practice of homosexuality and the "Gay" lifestyle and its attributes. When it becomes more important to support trendy politically correct social fashions then to live and teach Gospel principles, and when one takes that opposition to the Gospel into the public square and attacks the Church, one's membership in the Church is put in jeopardy. That is as it should be.

California Kid, like so many here, simply does not understand the Church and its purpose. Danzig seems to think that the Church is a purely sociological construct amenable to his particular fashionable nostrums and preoccupations. It is not. The Church is here to interrogate and critique the culture, not to be interrogated and critiqued by it. This is not a question about the views of the Brethren. Unless one takes, a priori, a naturalistic perspective on the Gospel and the meaning of the Apostolic calling, one cannot simply run to the media and assault the leaders of the Church over a cause celeb of the liberal media and pop culture for which the Church takes a strongly dissident view.

Like others here in this forum, Danzig wants the Church to be his Church. I'd prefer not to have to go to a Church cast in the image of a moral and intellectual collaborator with the deteriorating popular culture around the Church.

If Danzig wants to slouch toward Gomorrah with the masses, he may do so. He will be popular and lionized here among those who share his pseudo moral cultural ethos.

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