All religions are dangerous?

[_Moniker]

Actually, Jersey Girl -- I'll wait for JAK to let me in on how I got it bassackwards -- I like talking to JAK. It ROCKS MY SOCKS to talk to men that call me "ignorant".

So, I'll wait for him to set me straight. :)

[_Jersey Girl]

Reading some of the posts here, it seems that the issues “Dangers of Religion” has been departed. The irrelevant has replaced the relevant to that issue.

In a post (which I can’t take time to research), marg observed some standard understandings of what religion comprises.

Principle to most definitions is that religion sets forward claims. Claims which lack evidence yet are asserted as true are essentially truth by assertion. I addressed that early on in the discussion. It has never been challenged, let alone refuted.

The religion about which we may have most familiarity is Christianity. Of course there are others. But, the observations which I stated have essentially gone unchallenged in favor of other issues.

While I have placed them on the screen numerous times in different posts, they have not been challenged.

That was the intended focus for discussion. While Jersey Girl, marg, and I have all addressed content of your posts, Moniker, the central issues have not been addressed. I believe that several participants here are quite capable of focusing on the issues.

One of those issues is this:

“Where reason and evidence are turned aside in favor of dogma and claim absent evidence, danger prevails.”

In that, the position is that “reason and evidence” tend to ameliorate “danger.”

The other side of that is that “dogma and claim absent evidence” tend to aggravate “danger.”

More than 300 years ago, John Locke, one of the architects of the English Enlightenment wrote: “Every sect, as far as reason will help them, make use of it gladly; and where it fails them they cry out ‘It is a matter of faith and above reason.’”

His observation would surely have supported: Truth by assertion is unreliable. This was a second principle.

I had hoped that the topic would give participants the opportunity and stimulus to extend and explore the degree and kind of “dangers” that are inherent in ignorance installed in the mind by dogma and claim absent evidence.

JAK

Well, can we pick up that ball here? I'll be back with my ball.

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

JAK,

Here are my thoughts. This thread has devolved to the point where posters are essentially recreating the thread in order to address past misdirection and misrepresentations. I'd like to extract myself from this thread and begin a new thread to revisit the issues raised in the above post and perhaps the quote of yours that dart used in the OP. I'll initiate the thread right now and see if a reasonable discussion is possible.

Jersey Girl

[_Moniker]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Now, it says "edited" but there's nothing at the bottom....

That's rather creepy when they're not doing mod work... imho

[_Jersey Girl]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Please look at my above post where it shows the edit. Sometimes the edit shows up and sometimes it doesn't. Perhaps it's a flaw in the system. It doesn't matter if we're "doing mod work" or not. We log in the same way as we did prior to becoming mods. There is no magic switch to flip when "doing mod work" or posting as usual.

[_Moniker]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Please look at my above post where it shows the edit. Sometimes the edit shows up and sometimes it doesn't. Perhaps it's a flaw in the system. It doesn't matter if we're "doing mod work" or not. We log in the same way as we did prior to becoming mods. There is no magic switch to flip when "doing mod work" or posting as usual.

Bond's posts say he edited them........ may want to talk about Shades about that.....

[_Jersey Girl]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Please look at my above post where it shows the edit. Sometimes the edit shows up and sometimes it doesn't. Perhaps it's a flaw in the system. It doesn't matter if we're "doing mod work" or not. We log in the same way as we did prior to becoming mods. There is no magic switch to flip when "doing mod work" or posting as usual.

Bond's posts say he edited them........ may want to talk about Shades about that.....

So do mine but not all of them. We are "doing mod work" and posting from the same log in feature. There is no difference regarding log in. The only difference is that we have extra "tools" in order to edit, for example, profanity, delete and such. There is no reason to talk to Shades about it. The issue has been raised prior and it appears to be some sort of quirk in the system.

[_Moniker]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Please look at my above post where it shows the edit. Sometimes the edit shows up and sometimes it doesn't. Perhaps it's a flaw in the system. It doesn't matter if we're "doing mod work" or not. We log in the same way as we did prior to becoming mods. There is no magic switch to flip when "doing mod work" or posting as usual.

Bond's posts say he edited them........ may want to talk about Shades about that.....

So do mine but not all of them. We are "doing mod work" and posting from the same log in feature. There is no difference regarding log in. The only difference is that we have extra "tools" in order to edit, for example, profanity, delete and such. There is no reason to talk to Shades about it. The issue has been raised prior and it appears to be some sort of quirk in the system.

It was raised prior? On the board? I must have missed it?? Where is that? I MISSED SOMETHING?

Pay better attention to this board, pay better attention........

[_Bond...James Bond]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Now, it says "edited" but there's nothing at the bottom....

That's rather creepy when they're not doing mod work... imho

No. Even as a moderator if I go in and edit one of my own posts it will say "last edited..time" as long as their have been posts after it. As usual, if the post I'm editing is the last one on a thread then no "last edited..." will appear.

[_Moniker]

JAK,

Here are my thoughts. This thread has devolved to the point where posters are essentially recreating the thread in order to address past misdirection and misrepresentations. I'd like to extract myself from this thread and begin a new thread to revisit the issues raised in the above post and perhaps the quote of yours that dart used in the OP. I'll initiate the thread right now and see if a reasonable discussion is possible.

Jersey Girl

Hmmmmmmm......... after I mentioned you editing posts, and it not showing up as edited, this post was edited twice afterwards....... and shows it. That is odd.

Why does that happen where some edits show up and some don't???