All religions are dangerous?

[Guest]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Now, it says "edited" but there's nothing at the bottom....

That's rather creepy when they're not doing mod work... imho

No. Even as a moderator if I go in and edit one of my own posts it will say "last edited..time" as long as their have been posts after it. As usual, if the post I'm editing is the last one on a thread then no "last edited..." will appear.

Really? Well, Jersey Girl's post was edited quite a while after I had already posted under her, and she had posted under that as well. I mean, I was just refreshing the page waiting for JAK to pop back in and saw it happen....

So, there's no quirk in the system? Has this been brought up before?

[_Bond...James Bond]

Actually, Jersey Girl -- I'll wait for JAK to let me in on how I got it bassackwards -- I like talking to JAK. It ROCKS MY SOCKS to talk to men that call me "ignorant".

So, I'll wait for him to set me straight. :)

You're ignorant...and you're a woman...so you're really ignorant. More ignorant than most women, who on the whole are always more ignorant than men. Because they're women and women have brains two to six times smaller and three to five times less efficient than the brain of a man.

[/sarcasm]

[_Bond...James Bond]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Now, it says "edited" but there's nothing at the bottom....

That's rather creepy when they're not doing mod work... imho

No. Even as a moderator if I go in and edit one of my own posts it will say "last edited..time" as long as their have been posts after it. As usual, if the post I'm editing is the last one on a thread then no "last edited..." will appear.

Really? Well, Jersey Girl's post was edited quite a while after I had already posted under her, and she had posted under that as well. I mean, I was just refreshing the page waiting for JAK to pop back in and saw it happen....

So, there's no quirk in the system? Has this been brought up before?

When a moderator edits any posts besides their own then it doesn't show up as being "edited by". So if I were to edit any post besides my own there would be no marker. But if I edit my own then it still shows "edited by". Beyond that I know nothing.

[_Moniker]

Actually, Jersey Girl -- I'll wait for JAK to let me in on how I got it bassackwards -- I like talking to JAK. It ROCKS MY SOCKS to talk to men that call me "ignorant".

So, I'll wait for him to set me straight. :)

You're ignorant...and you're a woman...so you're really ignorant. More ignorant than most women, who on the whole are always more ignorant than men. Because they're women and women have brains two to six times smaller and three to five times less efficient than the brain of a man.

[/sarcasm]

sigh..... I know this......

see I do know something!!!! ;)

[_Jersey Girl]

JAK,

Here are my thoughts. This thread has devolved to the point where posters are essentially recreating the thread in order to address past misdirection and misrepresentations. I'd like to extract myself from this thread and begin a new thread to revisit the issues raised in the above post and perhaps the quote of yours that dart used in the OP. I'll initiate the thread right now and see if a reasonable discussion is possible.

Jersey Girl

JAK,

I started to write an OP for a new topic thread and totally lost the post! Given the late hour, I'll have to do it tomorrow.

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

I just noticed something about a prior post of Jersey Girl's on this page.

Can mods go in and change their posts and it not show that it was edited? Jersey Girl just did that and it doesn't say there was an edit.

That makes me a weeeee bit uncomfortable...........

Bond, Liz, Shades, someone -- if they're NOT doing mod work can they go back to prior posts and add on to the statements, or edit the posts without it stating "Last edited by......."

Jersey Girl just did that......

Now, it says "edited" but there's nothing at the bottom....

That's rather creepy when they're not doing mod work... imho

No. Even as a moderator if I go in and edit one of my own posts it will say "last edited..time" as long as their have been posts after it. As usual, if the post I'm editing is the last one on a thread then no "last edited..." will appear.

Really? Well, Jersey Girl's post was edited quite a while after I had already posted under her, and she had posted under that as well. I mean, I was just refreshing the page waiting for JAK to pop back in and saw it happen....

So, there's no quirk in the system? Has this been brought up before?

It's probably just as Bond described. Yes, it has been brought up before more than a year ago. 4 minutes is "quite a while"? Check the time stamps, Moniker. Geez!

[_Moniker]

I pasted my reply, looked above and saw your post. Hit refresh a few times then your edit appeared -- it probably just is a quirk in the system. It was just odd. But, it's happened to you before, you said? Sometimes it happens and sometimes not? That's weird!

No doubt it's just the board being screwy........ do do do do (twilight zone theme song).........

[_marg]

I came across a well written article discussing Japanese culture, which I thought had some relevance to this thread. The writer is AA Gill.

http://www.travelintelligence.com/travel-writing/1001179/Asia/Japan/Kanto/Tokyo/Mad-in-Japan.html

Religion is one of the reasons Japan is so socially crippled. In the beginning they had Shinto. Now, if religions were cars, Shinto would be a wheelbarrow. It’s your basic animism: ancestor worship, goblins and ghosts, tree and rock spirits. It lacks the most rudimentary theology. It made the emperor into a god descended from the sun. Onto that was grafted Buddhism – the wrong sort. Not the happy Dalai Lama stuff, but Zen Buddhism via China. Zen is so desiccatedly aesthetic that nobody knows what it means. On top of all that, the Japanese chose to add Confucianism. Now, it has been said there’s no such thing as bad philosophy at all. Confucianism is the exception that proves the rule. It’s unpleasant and low-brow. Confucius and Taoism were the excuse-all, get-out-of-work-and-responsibility for the samurai.

Modern Japanese people get born Shinto, married Christian, buried Buddhist and work Mazda. Consequently they believe everything and nothing. There is no solace in Japanese religion, no salvation or redemption, hope, encouragement, and most importantly, no concept of individuality, which is why you always see them mob-handed. A Japanese man on his own doesn’t think he exists. It’s just a static, miserable round of corporate responsibility and filial duty. I’ve never come across a place whose spiritual options were so barren. The pick-and-mix theology has stunted Japan like a tonsured, root-bound pine tree.

[_Ren]

Get a group of people together to discuss whether 'X' is inherently dangerous
Then start the discussion.

If someone says 'Well, X is actually a positive in this respect...'
...stop them midflow and state:
Off-topic. Only discussion of danger in relation to X is allowed.

If someone says 'Well, there are many aspects of X that can't be associated with any significant danger at all...'
...stop them midflow and state:
Off-topic. Only discussion of danger in relation to X is allowed.

If someone else says: 'Well, this aspect of X could be considered dangerous, but then look at the same aspect in non-X! I mean jeez, that's even more dangerous when you think about it...'
...stop them midflow and state:
Off-topic. only discussion of danger in relation to X is allowed.

If someone else says: 'Ermm - why is what people are trying to say off-topic?'
...stop them midflow and state:
Off-topic. only discussion of danger in relation to X is allowed.

If someone else says 'Ermm, well - I guess this aspect of 'X' is kinda dangerous. In a way...'
Congratulate them and say: Correct analysis! Well done!
If that same person then says: 'Well saying that, not just found in X mind... I mean just look at...'
...stop them midflow and state:
Off-topic. only discussion of danger in relation to X is allowed.

You think people wont be fooled by that?
...think again my friends! It works. You WILL convince some people that X is inherently dangerous!

Try it out! It's fun...! :)
Who knows, you might get people playing this game so long, you manage to get 26 pages of sheer hilarity out of it!!


*I am JAKs summary of this fine specimen of a thread*

[_Chap]

I came across a well written article discussing Japanese culture, which I thought had some relevance to this thread. The writer is AA Gill.

http://www.travelintelligence.com/travel-writing/1001179/Asia/Japan/Kanto/Tokyo/Mad-in-Japan.html

Religion is one of the reasons Japan is so socially crippled. In the beginning they had Shinto. Now, if religions were cars, Shinto would be a wheelbarrow. It’s your basic animism: ancestor worship, goblins and ghosts, tree and rock spirits. It lacks the most rudimentary theology. It made the emperor into a god descended from the sun. Onto that was grafted Buddhism – the wrong sort. Not the happy Dalai Lama stuff, but Zen Buddhism via China. Zen is so desiccatedly aesthetic that nobody knows what it means. On top of all that, the Japanese chose to add Confucianism. Now, it has been said there’s no such thing as bad philosophy at all. Confucianism is the exception that proves the rule. It’s unpleasant and low-brow. Confucius and Taoism were the excuse-all, get-out-of-work-and-responsibility for the samurai.

Modern Japanese people get born Shinto, married Christian, buried Buddhist and work Mazda. Consequently they believe everything and nothing. There is no solace in Japanese religion, no salvation or redemption, hope, encouragement, and most importantly, no concept of individuality, which is why you always see them mob-handed. A Japanese man on his own doesn’t think he exists. It’s just a static, miserable round of corporate responsibility and filial duty. I’ve never come across a place whose spiritual options were so barren. The pick-and-mix theology has stunted Japan like a tonsured, root-bound pine tree.

Japanese society and culture, seen in the context of history, certainly has its lows as well as its highs.

But when I read a post like this I really feel deep sympathy for Utah Mormons, and vow to study their culture more deeply in order to rid myself of the ignorant prejudices that prevent me seeing them as human beings with all the complexity, richness and sheer humanity that real people have, as opposed to cut-out pasteboard caricatures set up to be sneered at by the smug and condescending.

So though your post may not have added a great deal to our understanding of Japan, its people and its culture, you will definitely have done some good today! Thanks!