Blixa wrote:That is a lovely version of the broadside, phaedrus ut, and just what I was looking for. Much thanks.
Speaking of which:
Just who is the "aged Indian"? Does anyone know if there is another (better) source for his little statement? For some reason I think I may have read it in E Smith's VotH, but I'm not sure...
... if it is indeed from VotH, it would be interesting to find out who produced the little ad-dilly. (*winkety, wink*)
Yeah, I liked that too.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
Doctor Steuss wrote:Just who is the "aged Indian"?
I never caught that quote before.
"Our fathers once had 'Sacred Book' like the white man have, but it was hid in the ground, since then Indian no more prevail against his enemies." -- An aged Indian of the Stockbridge tribe."
The Stockbridge tribe were in the Northeastern US. With what we now know about the Limited Geography theory, and the change to the intro of the Book of Mormon, this "aged indian" must have been thinking of a different book.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Blixa wrote:That is a lovely version of the broadside, phaedrus ut, and just what I was looking for. Much thanks.
Speaking of which:
Just who is the "aged Indian"? Does anyone know if there is another (better) source for his little statement? For some reason I think I may have read it in E Smith's VotH, but I'm not sure...
The aged Indian relates to a quote used by Parley P Pratt in his book A Voice of Warning. The quote in the book is this:
There is a tradition related by an aged Indian, of the Stockbridge tribe, that their fathers were once in possession of a "Sacred Book," which was handed down from generation to generation; and at last hid in the earth, since which time they had been under the feet of their enemies. But these oracles were to be restored to them again; and then they would triumph over their enemies, and regain their rights and privileges.
Pratt was the Church leader in the New York area at the time of the publishing of the broadside so it seems likely he would use this quote which he was already familiar with as "evidence".
Bryan Inks wrote:How could this be possible? Given that the Olmecs are supposedly the Jaredites, who spoke pure Adamic according to timelines.
Reformed Egyptian, created hundreds of years later, somehow has enough similarities to Adamic that some quack can, from memory, claim that they are similar?
That's an excellent point. Rcrocket, what's your response to it?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
Another interesting point that seems to confirm the characters on what we call The Anthon Transcript.
If you read the language on the broadside it says. "A correct copy of the characters taken from the plates the Book of Mormon was translated from -- the same that was taken to Proffessor Anthon in New York, by Martin Harris"
We can see that the "Charactors " document matches the broadside above. They both seem to match another set of Book of Mormon characters published by the Church in The Prophet on December 21, 1844.
Phaedrus
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Bryan Inks wrote:How could this be possible? Given that the Olmecs are supposedly the Jaredites, who spoke pure Adamic according to timelines.
Reformed Egyptian, created hundreds of years later, somehow has enough similarities to Adamic that some quack can, from memory, claim that they are similar?
That's an excellent point. Rcrocket, what's your response to it?
I'm guessing that a good first apologetic response would be: "How do we know that the Egyptian language isn't a direct descendant of Adamic?"
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Bryan Inks wrote:How could this be possible? Given that the Olmecs are supposedly the Jaredites, who spoke pure Adamic according to timelines.
Reformed Egyptian, created hundreds of years later, somehow has enough similarities to Adamic that some quack can, from memory, claim that they are similar?
That's an excellent point. Rcrocket, what's your response to it?
The whole idea of the Olmecs being Jaredites strikes me as ludicrous. Among other glaring problems, the Olmec civilization continued in existence until about 400BC whilst the Jaredites were supposedly wiped out entirely by 600 BC.
Since this cylinder was likely an Olmec artefact, it either wasn't "Jaredite" or it wasn't written in "Reformed Egyption". My best guess is that it was neither. ;) Either way, it doesn't support the Book of Mormon (unless the Jaredites now suddenly continued to exist past the epic battle of Shiz and Coriantumr and adopted reformed egyptian as their language).
Sometimes I can't believe that time has to be spent refuting this junk.