Non-Celestial Posts "Dynastic Marriages-Doctrinal Quest

[_rcrocket]

Just as the Rosetta stone enabled academics to decode Egyptian hieroglyphs, so it was that the Mayan glpyhs were eventually broken. Michael Coe is indeed the leading expert. A hieroglyph is not truly a written character in a written language. It is, yes, written on stone or parchment as is artwork. But art is not a written language. I guess it is a matter of subjectivity, what is written and what is art, but I am astounded that in our original discussions you thought Popul Vuh was written in Mayan. Yer no expert; yer not even a diletant. Yer just a gadfly.

I think Mr. Scratch is a woman. So, that makes me a misogynist and justifies your assault against my innocent family? OK.

[_beastie]

Just as the Rosetta stone enabled academics to decode Egyptian hieroglyphs, so it was that the Mayan glpyhs were eventually broken. Michael Coe is indeed the leading expert. A hieroglyph is not truly a written character in a written language. It is, yes, written on stone or parchment as is artwork. But art is not a written language. I guess it is a matter of subjectivity, what is written and what is art, but I am astounded that in our original discussions you thought Popul Vuh was written in Mayan. Yer no expert; yer not even a diletant. Yer just a gadfly.

I think Mr. Scratch is a woman. So, that makes me a misogynist and justifies your assault against my innocent family? OK.

Have you read Coe's book or not? I'm assuming NOT. Tell me which books you have read on the subject.

And referring to my comment as an "assault on your innocent family" is yet one more example of your tendency to exaggerate past insults against Your Person. You know, the one with a superior moral sense and education, the one with the right to tell other people what to do with their lives, the one who gets to call other people sociopaths, liars, cowards, and hypocrites, but cannot tolerate the least slight on His Person.

by the way, you misremember what occurred with the Popol Vuh reference. I clearly stated it was not an original, unlike the codices... you know, those inconvenient pieces of literature).

[_Mister Scratch]

The Road to Hana is correct: Bob has lied, repeatedly, about using "anonymity." His (i.e., Bob's) claims to the contrary are disingenuous at best, and totally false at worst.

Moreover, Bob has been caught, in hugely embarrassing fashion, manipulating sources for his smear article in FROB. This has all been well documented.

[_beastie]

For those interested in information, rather than DISinformation -

Here are some interesting citations from Michael Coe, in his book Breaking the Maya Code. These are just a few highlights.

Linda, smarting from Ruz’s jibe at the Segunda Mesa Redonda, took this to heart, and her 1980 doctoral dissertation at the University of Texas not only established the meaning of specific “event glyphs” or verbs in dynastic statements – such as chum, “to be seated” (ie, enthroned) for a picture of what Linda characteristically identifies as “an ass sitting down” – but she also showed how verbal affixes were used syllabically to write the grammatical endings to these verbs. For instance, in Mayan, chum belongs in a special category of verbs that describe the position in space of the subject, and these have their own inflectional endings. With Floyd’s establishment of the true phonetic readings for the syllabic signs T. 130 (United Airlines) and T. 116 (ni), Linda was eventually able to read the all-important “seating” glyph combination as chmuan (i) “he was seated” – in perfect grammatical Cholan, by now generally accepted as the language of the Classic inscriptions. (page 214)

All three Stuarts were in attendance at the great conference “Phoneticism in Mayan Hieroglyphic Writing”, held in June 1979 at the State University of New York at Albany. Like the first Palenque Mesa Redonda, this was a watershed in Maya studies and the decipherment of the script. The linguist Lyle Campbell set the tone when he stated at the outset: “No Mayan linguist who has seriously looked into the matter any longer doubts the phonetic hypothesis as originally framed by Knorosov and elaborated by David Kelley, Floyd Lounsbury, and others.” The Maya script was logographic – that is, a combination of logograms expressing the morphemes or meaning units of words, and phonetic-syllable signs. In other words, exactly what Knorosov had been telling us ever since 1952, (page 233)

The report on the Albany conference came out in 1984. In one appendix, Peter Mathews laid out – in published form for the first time – a reasonably complete syllabic grid for the Maya script, one in which the syllabic value of each sign was agreed upon by several speakers. This has been added to and modified over the subsequent years, but there was now little doubt at all that the Maya could and did write anything they wanted to with this syllabary. The logograms would prove a tougher nut to crack, but substitutions with purely phonetic signs would lead to their decipherment, too. (page 236)

[_moksha]

I have never made any reference, vulgar or otherwise to this poster's children. He has often accused beastie of doing so; perhaps this is some kind of slip or typo. Either way its a gross mistake.

Typos sink ships.... Off with his non-anonymous head!

[_beastie]

Yes, it’s true, bob has been caught red-handed blatantly manipulating a source, and yet refused to admit he had done so. And yes, he posted here anonymously for quite a while.

This is another interesting characteristic: the willingness to be exploitative and manipulative.

In fact, the list is growing. Bob suffers from grandiosity in that he always seems to imagine himself the superior of others, in just about every notable way. He is morally and ethically superior, and this entitles him to judge and condemn others quite liberally. He is more educated on every subject he broaches, and feels qualified to judge others as “thinly read”, even in subjects where his own background is obviously lacking. He obviously lacks empathy and even imagines that anonymous posters on the internet are “second life” characters, without real feelings or real lives. He believes he is special – entitled to inform people they should exit the LDS church. He has the “right” understanding of LDS history, and can proclaim others to be speaking “falsehoods” about Joseph Smith’ morality.

[_beastie]

by the way, here's the post wherein Scratch revealed how bob dishonestly manipulated a source:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... hlight=lee

It's one of the most blatant cases I've ever seen.

[_beastie]

Oh, and that thread reminded me, he used to post as "plutarch".

[_the road to hana]

I wish the death threats on my cell phone (my number is posted on my ward's web site) would stop, but I take it in stride as the price of dealing with dishonorable people.

rcrocket

Plenty of ward websites exist without the bishop's cell phone number published on them. Why do you choose to publish yours?

If you are now having difficulties with it, why don't you remove it from the ward website, or have the number changed, or both?

[_beastie]

Plenty of ward websites exist without the bishop's cell phone number published on them. Why do you choose to publish yours?

If you are now having difficulties with it, why don't you remove it from the ward website, or have the number changed, or both?

To say nothing of the fact that Bob, as a lawyer, should know the steps to take to obtain the contact information from his cell phone company. A death threat via the phone is a criminal act.