Sure, most of us have been there. But I never would have used the anonymity of other posters as an excuse to dehumanize them, as well as the excuse to call them "sociopaths, liars, cowards, and hypocrites". Nor would I have deliberately distorted events or factual information. And I certainly would never have believed I had the right to tell ANYONE to leave the church.
Would you all have done those things in any phase of your belief?
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beastie wrote:Sure, most of us have been there. But I never would have used the anonymity of other posters as an excuse to dehumanize them, as well as the excuse to call them "sociopaths, liars, cowards, and hypocrites". Nor would I have deliberately distorted events or factual information. And I certainly would never have believed I had the right to tell ANYONE to leave the church.
Would you all have done those things in any phase of your belief?
No. I think he's disturbed, personally. Either that, or he's simply mistaken, and under a lot of distress. Or not a nice person. Demonizing us for pointing out his vulnerability is just plain backwards.
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Jason Bourne wrote:So maybe Bob is ultra zealous and really cannot stand dissent. I have called him a monolithic Mormon. What I mean by that is that for Bob, or anyone that fits this term, and I only base that on his posting here, is they are very authoritarian and cannot stand dissent or varying views that may differ from at leas the way they understand the Church. Obedience and submission to the authority of the Church is paramount. In a way the Church is a totalitarian entity in such a one's life. Anyone who differs in culture or belief that is still part of the organization is a threat. They must either be put back in line or purged. I must confess I did not originate the term. I am not sure where I got it. It was from Eugene Englund, Lowell Bennion or one of the more liberal LDS thinkers and writers.
It reminds me of the infamous talk given by Richard Poll from BYU in the 1967s called "What the Church means to People like me." He originated the terms "Iron Rod" and "Liahona" as it relates to the two types of Mormons. Poll was a Liahona (spirit of the law), and it seems Bob is an Iron Rod (letter of the law). One of the key points is that neither is "right," but they don't understand the other, and think the other is wrong in his approach to life...particularly the church. I think it is like other personality profiling, but it's quite unique to Mormonism since it uses analogies from the Book of Mormon. If interested, here's a link:
http://www.zionsbest.com/people.html
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BishopRic wrote:Jason Bourne wrote:So maybe Bob is ultra zealous and really cannot stand dissent. I have called him a monolithic Mormon. What I mean by that is that for Bob, or anyone that fits this term, and I only base that on his posting here, is they are very authoritarian and cannot stand dissent or varying views that may differ from at leas the way they understand the Church. Obedience and submission to the authority of the Church is paramount. In a way the Church is a totalitarian entity in such a one's life. Anyone who differs in culture or belief that is still part of the organization is a threat. They must either be put back in line or purged. I must confess I did not originate the term. I am not sure where I got it. It was from Eugene Englund, Lowell Bennion or one of the more liberal LDS thinkers and writers.
It reminds me of the infamous talk given by Richard Poll from BYU in the 1967s called "What the Church means to People like me." He originated the terms "Iron Rod" and "Liahona" as it relates to the two types of Mormons. Poll was a Liahona (spirit of the law), and it seems Bob is an Iron Rod (letter of the law). One of the key points is that neither is "right," but they don't understand the other, and think the other is wrong in his approach to life...particularly the church. I think it is like other personality profiling, but it's quite unique to Mormonism since it uses analogies from the Book of Mormon. If interested, here's a link:
http://www.zionsbest.com/people.html
I remember those "Iron Rod" and "Liahona" terms. We were using those long before Shades' famous "Chapel" and "Internet" Mormons.
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Bob wrote:I don't need any help. Since when have I ever asked you to remove anything published about me? You offered in a PM to provide me what details you might have had about the one poster who posted the names of my children, and I declined.
I'm telling you once again, here and now, although I don't relish the vulgar references your board denizens make to my young children, I have not asked Board mods to take any action and don't intend to do so.
I simply criticize the personal stalking tactics of Road to Hana, Beastie (not Blixa - don't let me confuse things; sorry Blixa) and Scratch because their assertions of my relation with my wife, padding of my expertise, document manipulation and inability to be a lawyer of any credibility is offered to show the superciliousness of their rhetoric. They can't combat on the merits.
I wish the death threats on my cell phone (my number is posted on my ward's web site) would stop, but I take it in stride as the price of dealing with dishonorable people.
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I didn't say that you asked for help. I said that it was offered, which you, yourself have confirmed. When I saw your personal information posted, I was not only appalled, but literally sick to my stomach. It brought back some very bad memories for me when I was stalked via the Internet on another site. Having gone through that myself, I would not wish that on ANYONE.
You and I have definitely had our differences on issues on the board, but the buck stops when someone is being threatened.
Bob, for what it's worth, if you are receiving death threats, I think that "taking it in stride" is a mistake. You have a family to think about. I really hope that you get the police involved, if not for your benefit, then for your family's.
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liz3564 wrote: Bob, for what it's worth, if you are receiving death threats, I think that "taking it in stride" is a mistake. You have a family to think about. I really hope that you get the police involved, if not for your benefit, but for your family's.
Absolutely. And then walk the walk.
Remove your cell phone from the ward website. Stop posting personal in real life information on this and other sites online. And for goodness sake, stop harrassing others who prefer to safeguard their family's privacy.
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the road to hana wrote:All you have to do is do a meetinghouse locator search on the LDS.org website. If you happen to know his home address already (which is easily available), it's simple enough to do a search for the local meetinghouse. Since one of the wards listed lists "Bishop Crockett" and a cell phone number for the bishop, it's publicly available to anyone who wants to do a meetinghouse locator search.
Then it's not his ward website. And the church should take that information off their website.
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harmony wrote:the road to hana wrote:All you have to do is do a meetinghouse locator search on the LDS.org website. If you happen to know his home address already (which is easily available), it's simple enough to do a search for the local meetinghouse. Since one of the wards listed lists "Bishop Crockett" and a cell phone number for the bishop, it's publicly available to anyone who wants to do a meetinghouse locator search.
Then it's not his ward website. And the church should take that information off their website.
harmony, I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say it's "not his ward website." It's the _______ _____ Ward homepage, which can be accessed on LDS.org via the Meetinghouse Locator (absolutely, a ward member could log in and go directly to their ward or stake homepage, and would then be directed to this same page, and then be able to access the ward membership and leadership directories).
There are some scriptures listed at the top, as well as upcoming events, and a welcome message. The Bishop's cell phone number is still listed on it along with the street address for the meetinghouse, the office phone number and the meeting schedule.
It seems to me it's clearly a choice of the bishop that he lists his cell on this page.
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