For your amusement and enjoyment, I present Hammer's latest

[_Dr. Shades]

By Hammer's logic, then the tornado that ripped through Salt Lake City some 10 years ago was God's divine punishment against the Mormons.

[_moksha]

By Hammer's logic, then the tornado that ripped through Salt Lake City some 10 years ago was God's divine punishment against the Mormons.

Or the Great Flood of '83. Fortunately God sent us giant sandworms that spared the Temple from flooding.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Hammer time. For crazy, lunatic fringe, way beyond whacko, Mormon literalist overcredulous "Mo-goggles welded to his face" testimony crap, in the words of his (unintended) namesake:

You can't touch this.

LOL! Perfect, Sethbag.

KA

[_Moniker]

Then there are the dozens of feet of snow in other states who also have put God on the back burner.

Well, the snow that fell here melted within hours.

This obviously has everything to do with me putting God on a simmering stove top of abstinence.

[_It occurs to me . . .]

NEVO has just provided us with this tidbit from the miracle of forgiveness to back up Hammer's claim:

I guess you haven't read The Miracle of Forgiveness yet. It's pretty much official: Pompeii was destroyed "for its wickedness and depravity."

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When we went abroad, among the interesting things we saw in Italy was the city of Pompeii. . . . After spending some days among the ruins of Rome we went down to Naples, to climb Vesuvius and to see Pompeii. We went as high on the mountain as we could go in a taxi and then climbed the rest of the way to the top. We stood in the crater and less than a yard under our feet was the boiling, seething mass of lava. We could feel its fiery breath; we could see its rich color. Vesuvius was still active. And then we remembered that back in A.D. 79 the Lord permitted it to "blow its top" literally and figuratively.

This city of Pompeii, as we came to know by first-hand observation, was a worldly city. The politicians, the wealthy, the socialites, came from Rome to Pompeii near the coast of the Mediterranean. There they spent their money and time in lavish and riotous living. The city of Pompeii has now been excavated. . . . on the walls in these buildings, in color still preserved for these nearly two millennia, were the pictures of every vice that could be committed by human beings--all the vicious sins that have accumulated since Cain began his evil ways.

Then I came to realize why Pompeii was destroyed. There came a time when it just had to be destroyed. And as Vesuvius erupted, it blew up, and the ashes went into the sky for miles and miles millions of tons of them. The lava flowed down the edge of that conical structure and pushed before it everything in its path, burning the vineyards, the orchards, and some of the homes. It destroyed everything in its path, and some little cities were completely burned or covered out of existence.

But Pompeii did not all burn. It was not in the way of the lava flow, but the cinders and ashes in the air gradually settled, covering the city completely. The people in their buildings were choked to death. Their bodies were later found clasping each other in deadly embrace. Cats and dogs were there in the buildings. They were found as they died covered with ashes, so that when the excavation was completed, the houses and contents were in place. There had been no general fire, but many of the roofs had burned off. Pompeii was destroyed. I think I know why. It was because of its wickedness and depravity. I think Pompeii must have been in much the same lamentable situation as Sodom and Gomorrah long before it. -- Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1969), 133

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Apparently this idea started with Pres. Kimball. I knew there was another reason I didn't like that book. Especially at the end of the statement when he goes into ecstatic detail about how God killed the people!

[_Brackite]

Here is Hammer's latest Post on that Discussion Thread, over there:

How do you figure that?

The fact that we teach correct principles doesn't mean other people will also teach correct principles.

I've totally given up on the idea that everyone will ever agree with everyone on anything, including what we should be teaching as correct principles.
Yes. Stupid, huh. And yet some people think that way.

I've already gotten pretty much accustomed to it and will be totally surprised if everyone does a flip flop to any particular side. There will always be those who will call good, evil, and those who call evil, good, in my opinion.
You mean those who teach incorrect principles and/or tweeked principles are destroying the world, don't you?

Those who are teaching correct principles aren't contributing to the destruction, in my opinion.
Yes, I have some. Do you want more?

When you consider people who teach something, are you taking into consideration the different factors that influence why people teach what they teach, and that all of us are teaching something even if by nothing other than example?

How do you suppose we come to know what correct principles are if we don't know who to learn from?

... and who is to say that everyone who says they know who to learn from really does know who to learn from?

I think the best we can do is learn from the best sources available, but even then I realize that not everyone will agree on the best thoughts.

I think this is a more individual test than many people realize, and some people don't even really know that at some point they will be graded.

I'm enjoying the experience of being here and I hope that you are enjoying it too.

We just need to listen to the Prophets and the Lord.

QUOTE(katherine the great @ Mar 10 2008, 08:15 PM)

If that's the "most uneducated idea" you have ever heard of then I strongly recommend you travel more often. There are lots of more "uneducated ideas" floating around out there. In fact, I think most ideas are fairly uneducated.

I disagree.

[_GoodK]

By Hammer's logic, then the tornado that ripped through Salt Lake City some 10 years ago was God's divine punishment against the Mormons.

And 9-11 was God's divine punishment for our acceptance of homosexuals (?)

[_CaliforniaKid]

Apparently this idea started with Pres. Kimball. I knew there was another reason I didn't like that book. Especially at the end of the statement when he goes into ecstatic detail about how God killed the people!

lol. That's "the miracle of forgiveness" for ya.

And 9-11 was God's divine punishment for our acceptance of homosexuals (?)

Good ol' Mr. Falwell. I recently read a serious academic book that tried to argue that 9/11 was God' judgment for, among other things, creating Bin Laden and sexually exploiting women in Hollywood movies. That, and the burning of the White House in the War of 1812 was a judgment for the Founders' deism and the Civil War was a judgment for slavery (and for liberal theology). Needless to say, the author didn't quite make his case.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

I'm picturing a priesthood holder holding out his hand like Yoda and moving the lava flow. Is the Priesthood power any different than The Force?

Was that lava thing a serious post, or a snarky comment from a nonbeliever?

It was from Avatar4321, who seems like a TBM from all his other posts.

[_The Nehor]

By Hammer's logic, then the tornado that ripped through Salt Lake City some 10 years ago was God's divine punishment against the Mormons.

24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

-D&C 112:24-26 (emphasis mine)