GoodK wrote:What can and has been substantiated is:
1. DCP teaches no classes at BYU, but is on the payroll
2. FARMS offers a stipend for at least one apologetic venture
3. FARMS does not pay every contributor
4. His role at FARMS is not that of a simple contributor
I don't know if I'm missing some other things that were brought up here that can be verified, but I would think the above is enough to un-wedge your under shorts.
Well, numbers one and two haven't been substantiated.
Some of you don't seem to realize how tough a job it is being an apologist.
“All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it...Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are completely empty as regards reality." - Albert Einstein
Some of you don't seem to realize how tough a job it is being an apologist.
I don't think getting paid is the problem. It's the steadfast denial of getting paid that's the problem.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
Some of you don't seem to realize how tough a job it is being an apologist.
LOL!!! Thanks for the laugh, Dart.
In all seriousness, though---No, I don't care if they get paid. They on the other hand (as Dr. Shades points out) seem to care very greatly about creating the impression that they don't. And therein lies the problem.
moksha wrote:I think apologists getting paid should be performance based. I would reward Dr. Peterson's Offenders for a Word, while at the same time demanding a pay cut for Professor Midgley's review of Grant Palmer's Insiders View of Mormonism.
You mentioned on another thread that you knew that Jibson had received money for this piece. Could you elaborate on that a bit? Or were you just speculating?
GoodK wrote:What can and has been substantiated is:
1. DCP teaches no classes at BYU, but is on the payroll
2. FARMS offers a stipend for at least one apologetic venture
3. FARMS does not pay every contributor
4. His role at FARMS is not that of a simple contributor
I don't know if I'm missing some other things that were brought up here that can be verified, but I would think the above is enough to un-wedge your under shorts.
Well, numbers one and two haven't been substantiated.
No, no---those have definitely been substantiated. Someone in this very thread linked to a BYU website indicating that DCP is on some kind of "academic leave." As for #2, this was discussed on a separate thread, but there is a summer seminar at BYU (the current one is featuring Richard Bushman and Terryl Givens) in which participants are paid a stipend of $3,000, or something like that, for their 6-week participation. (I believe it was six weeks, though I could be wrong.)
The bottom line, of course, is that apologists have gone way WAY out of their way to paint a picture of themselves as these saintly, utterly selfless individuals who are just trying to defend the Church, etc. And no! They wouldn't *dream* of taking money to do this! It turns out that this is complete bunk, and that all of these rank denials ring false in the end.
Some of you don't seem to realize how tough a job it is being an apologist.
Bwhahahahahahaha!
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Mister Scratch wrote:No, no---those have definitely been substantiated. Someone in this very thread linked to a BYU website indicating that DCP is on some kind of "academic leave." As for #2, this was discussed on a separate thread, but there is a summer seminar at BYU (the current one is featuring Richard Bushman and Terryl Givens) in which participants are paid a stipend of $3,000, or something like that, for their 6-week participation. (I believe it was six weeks, though I could be wrong.)
That isn't pay. That's not even enough to be called an allowance. No wonder they claim they don't get paid.
moksha wrote:I think apologists getting paid should be performance based. I would reward Dr. Peterson's Offenders for a Word, while at the same time demanding a pay cut for Professor Midgley's review of Grant Palmer's Insiders View of Mormonism.
You mentioned on another thread that you knew that Jibson had received money for this piece. Could you elaborate on that a bit? Or were you just speculating?
I don't recall saying that at all. If I did, it was a misunderstanding. I have no clue about Michael Jibson other than he wrote the crappiest book review I have ever seen.
Mister Scratch wrote:No, no---those have definitely been substantiated. Someone in this very thread linked to a BYU website indicating that DCP is on some kind of "academic leave." As for #2, this was discussed on a separate thread, but there is a summer seminar at BYU (the current one is featuring Richard Bushman and Terryl Givens) in which participants are paid a stipend of $3,000, or something like that, for their 6-week participation. (I believe it was six weeks, though I could be wrong.)
Dr. Peterson may be on some kind of academic leave this year, but he was teaching at BYU last year. So it isn't the case that he doesn't teach there. As to the second point, apparently you missed my earlier post on this thread. I was a recipient of one of those stipends ($2500) when I was an Archive of Restoration Culture research fellow at the Smith Institute for LDS History in the late '90s. The funding for these summer fellowships--which were not exactly "apologetic ventures"--came from Karen and David Davidson and other private donors. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have reason to believe that this year's seminar, though sponsored by the Maxwell Institute, is also privately funded. So it is not a case of FARMS "paying" apologists.