Things You Won't Find in Mesoamerica

Post by **_beastie** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:28 pm

If anyone's interested in a more detailed discussion of animal imagery in art and mythology in Mesoamerica, I included this topic on my website, too - about half way down the horse page (yes, I know I need to divide it up but am procrastinating)

http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com/horses.htm

A poster brought this up recently on MAD (I think it was scottie). Cdowis, of course, dismissed it as ridiculous. Then he wanted proof, and when scottie posted several links/pix of animal imagery, charles said it didn't count because they weren't specifically dated - yet they were all from the preclassic and classic period. The distortions apologists put themselves through on this point are painful to watch.

Post by **_beastie** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:36 pm

I just have to add one more comment - the horse is a powerful, impressive animal. Apologists even suggest that there weren't many, and they were linked to royalty. The idea that such a powerful animal would NOT be pictured in their imagery and mythology is beyond belief.... except for True Believers, of course.

Post by **_truth dancer** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:05 pm

I spend Monday at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History ... (one of my favorite places in the entire world), and visited some interesting exhibits.

In one exhibit demonstrating the history of the America's, there was a tapir along with many other animals during various times throughout history. In case anyone has never seen a real tapir, there is absolutely NO way one could be mistaken for a horse. :-) A tapir looks like a wild boar with a long nose. (No horses during Book of Mormon times).

Also there was an interesting exhibit on metal working. Seems the Smithsonian didn't get the memo that folks in Mesoamerica were experts in smelting 2,000 years ago! ;-)

Every time I go to the Natural History Museum, I wonder if folks who do not believe in evolution have ever visited such a place. The story of life is so amazing and clear and real, hard to imagine anyone can dismiss it with a little claim of Satan's trickery.

~dancer~

Post by **_Scottie** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:32 pm

beastie wrote:If anyone's interested in a more detailed discussion of animal imagery in art and mythology in Mesoamerica, I included this topic on my website, too - about half way down the horse page (yes, I know I need to divide it up but am procrastinating)

http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com/horses.htm

A poster brought this up recently on MAD (I think it was scottie). Cdowis, of course, dismissed it as ridiculous. Then he wanted proof, and when scottie posted several links/pix of animal imagery, charles said it didn't count because they weren't specifically dated - yet they were all from the preclassic and classic period. The distortions apologists put themselves through on this point are painful to watch.

Yes, that was me.

And then, after I told him that I believed he would discount ANY evidence I showed him, someone else posted the long-nosed god guy and said that they were elephants.

Post by **_KimberlyAnn** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:09 am

CaliforniaKid wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:I agree with Sunstoned. Excellent point, CaliforniaKid, and nice pics, too.

KA

Thanks. There was all kinds of neat stuff in that museum. I posted a few more (non-BoM-related) pics from the trip on my blog. My favorite is the one that shows me standing next to the Nineveh cherub. You really don't realize how enormous those things are until you see them in person. Even the picture of me getting completely dwarfed by the thing doesn't do it justice.

I checked out the pics on your blog, CK, and you're right: the Nineveh cherub does dwarf you! It's massive. I checked it out on the museum's website, which reports the cherub is sixteen feet high.

All the exhibits look fantastic. I'll have to make it a point to visit next time I'm in Chicago.

Kimberly Ann

Post by **_moksha** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:02 am

So the people of the Old World revered and cared for their horses. That is a given. But what if the horses of the New World revered and pined away for their lost Nephite companions and thus collectively gave up the will to live, due to that grief, while concurrently destroying any traces of their own existence. Ever think of that?

Post by **_CaliforniaKid** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:04 am

moksha wrote:So the people of the Old World revered and cared for their horses. That is a given. But what if the horses of the New World revered and pined away for their lost Nephite companions and thus collectively gave up the will to live, due to that grief, while concurrently destroying any traces of their own existence. Ever think of that?

:-P

Post by **_Bond...James Bond** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:07 am

CaliforniaKid wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:I agree with Sunstoned. Excellent point, CaliforniaKid, and nice pics, too.

KA

Thanks. There was all kinds of neat stuff in that museum. I posted a few more (non-BoM-related) pics from the trip on my blog. My favorite is the one that shows me standing next to the Nineveh cherub. You really don't realize how enormous those things are until you see them in person. Even the picture of me getting completely dwarfed by the thing doesn't do it justice.

How tall are you?

Post by **_CaliforniaKid** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:13 am

Bond...James Bond wrote:
CaliforniaKid wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:I agree with Sunstoned. Excellent point, CaliforniaKid, and nice pics, too.

KA

Thanks. There was all kinds of neat stuff in that museum. I posted a few more (non-BoM-related) pics from the trip on my blog. My favorite is the one that shows me standing next to the Nineveh cherub. You really don't realize how enormous those things are until you see them in person. Even the picture of me getting completely dwarfed by the thing doesn't do it justice.

How tall are you?

Just over 5'7"