The Nehor wrote:I don't see how living your religion has anything at all to do with your choice of who to pursue a relationship with.
I think this is naïve -- particularly as it relates to the LDS lifestyle. "Religion" dictates how you approach everything is life, at least it did for me as a Mormon. It tells me why I think like I do, how to pick a mate (that whole pray about it then get a special feeling -- the one that is not "I want to take her to bed"), how to approach problems...everything is different about life outside of Mormonism.
Trust me.
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
BishopRic wrote:If this happens often, consider the possibility that your expectations are what is out of whack.
Working on it.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I don't see how living your religion has anything at all to do with your choice of who to pursue a relationship with.
I think this is naïve -- particularly as it relates to the LDS lifestyle. "Religion" dictates how you approach everything is life, at least it did for me as a Mormon. It tells me why I think like I do, how to pick a mate (that whole pray about it then get a special feeling -- the one that is not "I want to take her to bed"), how to approach problems...everything is different about life outside of Mormonism.
Trust me.
My faith does dictate a lot of what I do in life. I object only to the idea that dating or not dating someone based on some criteria is not living my religion.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I don't see how living your religion has anything at all to do with your choice of who to pursue a relationship with.
I think this is naïve -- particularly as it relates to the LDS lifestyle. "Religion" dictates how you approach everything is life, at least it did for me as a Mormon. It tells me why I think like I do, how to pick a mate (that whole pray about it then get a special feeling -- the one that is not "I want to take her to bed"), how to approach problems...everything is different about life outside of Mormonism.
Trust me.
My faith does dictate a lot of what I do in life. I object only to the idea that dating or not dating someone based on some criteria is not living my religion.
I'll buy that. I do think there is a bit of "talking out of two sides of the mouth" in the LDS culture though. I mean, look at Jesus -- whatever his relationship with Mary was, she was (allegedly) the whore, right? And what did Jesus do with that?
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
I appreciate it as well. It revealed a lot of integrity for Nehor, as a person, as well.
Two of his former serious relationships involved women who had been victims of some type of sexual abuse. It's not like he shied away from these instances.
I can't really blame him for wanting to avoid this type of relationship in the future, at least in the short run. It looks like these relationships were emotionally draining for him, and that he really did make an honest effort to make the relationships work.
BishopRic wrote:I'll buy that. I do think there is a bit of "talking out of two sides of the mouth" in the LDS culture though. I mean, look at Jesus -- whatever his relationship with Mary was, she was (allegedly) the whore, right? And what did Jesus do with that?
It is a possibility that that woman and Mary were the same person.
He tried to help her and according to some, married her. I frankly admit he was a better healer and more forgiving then I will ever be this side of death.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
BishopRic wrote:I'll buy that. I do think there is a bit of "talking out of two sides of the mouth" in the LDS culture though. I mean, look at Jesus -- whatever his relationship with Mary was, she was (allegedly) the whore, right? And what did Jesus do with that?
It is a possibility that that woman and Mary were the same person.
He tried to help her and according to some, married her. I frankly admit he was a better healer and more forgiving then I will ever be this side of death.
I know many "Davinci Coders" and Gnostics say that the Bible errs much with regard to Mary -- and that her reputation was created by the Catholics, but this is one part of the Jesus story that I love. Here he was, the Master, and he took the sinner and totally accepted her in some sort of very close relationship.
We can all learn from that.
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
BishopRic wrote:I'll buy that. I do think there is a bit of "talking out of two sides of the mouth" in the LDS culture though. I mean, look at Jesus -- whatever his relationship with Mary was, she was (allegedly) the whore, right? And what did Jesus do with that?
It is a possibility that that woman and Mary were the same person.
He tried to help her and according to some, married her. I frankly admit he was a better healer and more forgiving then I will ever be this side of death.
I know many "Davinci Coders" and Gnostics say that the Bible errs much with regard to Mary -- and that her reputation was created by the Catholics, but this is one part of the Jesus story that I love. Here he was, the Master, and he took the sinner and totally accepted her in some sort of very close relationship.
We can all learn from that.
Yes, we can. There are many "Marys" in the world, women who would love to hold their heads up again, but who need a little encouragement in order to do so. It takes a strong person to ignore society and their own sense of disgust in order to be able to be that person for this individual...it takes time, patience, effort, and love. But it is possible.
I'm just hateful, antisocial, and stubborn. I'm not going to let another human being steal my peace anymore. But I know of many a woman who doesn't feel right inside...and they can't make it right alone...no man or woman is an island.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
harmony wrote:(although to be quite truthful, I think everyone carries baggage of some sort into every relationship)
I agree, but I think that there is some baggage I'm more prepared to deal with than others, and some of my baggage that others wouldn't be prepared to deal with.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
harmony wrote:(although to be quite truthful, I think everyone carries baggage of some sort into every relationship)
I agree, but I think that there is some baggage I'm more prepared to deal with than others, and some of my baggage that others wouldn't be prepared to deal with.
Well said. That's when you decide how far you want to progress on your own before getting into a relationship. If the baggage is that heavy, stay single. Simple.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi