thestyleguy wrote:and does that increase or decrease in a single generation on your beliefs or increase or decrease over generations with where you live....or stay the same based on where you live.
Generally not to my knowledge. It is possible of course that God caused an alteration. It is also possible that the Lamanites melded quickly with a pre-existing population with a different skin tone in which case the shift could be made in a single generation though it would likely take several for the change to be complete.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
thestyleguy wrote:and does that increase or decrease in a single generation on your beliefs or increase or decrease over generations with where you live....or stay the same based on where you live.
Generally not to my knowledge. It is possible of course that God caused an alteration. It is also possible that the Lamanites melded quickly with a pre-existing population with a different skin tone in which case the shift could be made in a single generation though it would likely take several for the change to be complete.
which would create a lot of offspring which would produce a lot more offspring and the DNA results could be found today just like the Lemba tribe in Africa.
thestyleguy wrote:and does that increase or decrease in a single generation on your beliefs or increase or decrease over generations with where you live....or stay the same based on where you live.
Generally not to my knowledge. It is possible of course that God caused an alteration. It is also possible that the Lamanites melded quickly with a pre-existing population with a different skin tone in which case the shift could be made in a single generation though it would likely take several for the change to be complete.
which would create a lot of offspring which would produce a lot more offspring and the DNA results could be found today just like the Lemba tribe in Africa.
Perhaps, we'll see.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
thestyleguy wrote:and does that increase or decrease in a single generation on your beliefs or increase or decrease over generations with where you live....or stay the same based on where you live.
Generally not to my knowledge. It is possible of course that God caused an alteration. It is also possible that the Lamanites melded quickly with a pre-existing population with a different skin tone in which case the shift could be made in a single generation though it would likely take several for the change to be complete.
which would create a lot of offspring which would produce a lot more offspring and the DNA results could be found today just like the Lemba tribe in Africa.
Perhaps, we'll see.
What makes you think we'll see? If there is no genetic link as the critics contend, is it possible that believers will always erroneously be awaiting future evidence that doesn't exist?
William Schryver wrote:Whether or not anyone ever authoritatively pronounced on the topic at hand is irrelevant to you.
??? OF COURSE it's relevant to me!
From your fundamentalist viewpoint, everything a prophet or apostle ever said is absolute truth.
God is a fundamentalist, too. God only calls apostles who are also fundamentalists. God also calls prophets only after they have been groomed for maximum fundamentalism.
Of course, it's no wonder you fell away if that's what you believed. They were guaranteed to eventually disappoint you.
So tell us, Will: Which of the Lord's mouthpieces' other teachings consistently promulgated over the last 150 years are also pure bunk?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
William Schryver wrote:Whether or not anyone ever authoritatively pronounced on the topic at hand is irrelevant to you. From your fundamentalist viewpoint, everything a prophet or apostle ever said is absolute truth. Of course, it's no wonder you fell away if that's what you believed. They were guaranteed to eventually disappoint you.
Taking seriously a claim made repeatedly by numerous of the Lord's annointed (sic) over a period of over 150 years hardly qualifies as taking everything a prophet or apostle says as "absoute truth."
Again, revisionist BS.
What "claims" are you talking about? Let's see you assemble a small collection of these "claims" that you say were made "repeatedly" over the course of the last century and a half. I'm really interested to see what was "claimed" that you think is now being "revised."
Man, I just love to interact with you fundie apostates . . .
... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...
Dr. Shades wrote:So tell us, Will: Which of the Lord's mouthpieces' other teachings consistently promulgated over the last 150 years are also pure bunk?
It is clear to me the Will not only holds in contempt all of the critics, but most of the faithful also.
John Larsen wrote:What makes you think we'll see? If there is no genetic link as the critics contend, is it possible that believers will always erroneously be awaiting future evidence that doesn't exist?
Yes, but I believe the Book of Mormon took place on Titan so I'm not expecting anything.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
So tell us, Will: Which of the Lord's mouthpieces' other teachings consistently promulgated over the last 150 years are also pure bunk?
First you tell us what "teachings consistently promulgated over the last 150 years" I've already pronounced as bunk. I missed that part.
All I've done is argue (and you've tacitly agreed with me) that the Book of Mormon makes it clear that "Lamanite" is a purely political, not an ethnic, designation. And that there is nothing in the Book of Mormon that would suggest that everyone mentioned is a descendant of Lehi. Indeed, there are some passages that appear to suggest a contrary conclusion.
You are apparently suggesting that my argument contradicts "teachings consistently promulgated over the last 150 years" -- apparently from something you term "the Lord's mouthpieces." I don't see it, and you haven't demonstrated it. Perhaps you and guy can collaborate and come up with something.
... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...
Dr. Shades wrote:So tell us, Will: Which of the Lord's mouthpieces' other teachings consistently promulgated over the last 150 years are also pure bunk?
It is clear to me the Will not only holds in contempt all of the critics, but most of the faithful also.
Really? How so?
(This is such a typical fundie exmo reaction! I should start making a list of them:
1. Will insinuate that it has always been taught and expected in the church that everything said by a prophet and/or apostle is absolute truth and cannot be subject to later revision or amplification, let alone contradiction.
2. Will claim that apologetic arguments contradict everything said and taught in the church since its inception.
3. Will claim that apologetic arguments are an affront to the cherished beliefs of the vast majority of faithful LDS.)
... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...