Lamanite only a political designation?

[_The Nehor]

I think we're all quite familiar with this quote, and with SWK's views on this topic. What exactly is the point you're trying to make here?

Hello,

If you are going to make the argument that nearly all American Indians are the descendants of Lehi through genetic mixing, than you have to accept and believe that every single Person in the world now, is a descendant of Cain and Ham through Genetic mixing. If all three of them were real People, Cain and Ham lived way before the time that Lehi was born. Every single Person in the world is a descendant of Cain and Ham, if Cain and Ham did indeed exist and lived.
Please Check Out and See:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/lofive ... 18938.html

I have no problem with that statement.

[_William Schryver]

I think we're all quite familiar with this quote, and with SWK's views on this topic. What exactly is the point you're trying to make here?

Hello,

If you are going to make the argument that nearly all American Indians are the descendants of Lehi through genetic mixing, than you have to accept and believe that every single Person in the world now, is a descendant of Cain and Ham through Genetic mixing. If all three of them were real People, Cain and Ham lived way before the time that Lehi was born. Every single Person in the world is a descendant of Cain and Ham, if Cain and Ham did indeed exist and lived.
Please Check Out and See:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/lofive ... 18938.html

Agreed.

Bond:
My error was already noted and corrected. Glad you could contribute to the conversation.

Nehor:

I don't particularly like Will.

I like you well enough. Although I do think you are an example of the emasculated men of whom I spoke above. Maybe a testosterone supplement would help. Check with your doctor.

[_Who Knows]

If Lehi was a real man, he is almost certainly an ancestor of almost every Amerind alive today.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

Hey, if santa were a real man, blah blah blah.

So what's the point of this thread again?

- Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas, and that native americans came exclusively from them.
- This belief goes uncontested for almost 100 years, wherein a few start to teach that there may have been other people here in the americas when Book of Mormon peoples arrived (but this is never made official - the prophet of the church never recognizes this, and Joseph Smith's teaching are never rescinded).
- In 2007, the phrase 'principal ancestors' is removed from the Book of Mormon.
- The 2008 Joseph Smith manual whitewashes Joseph Smith's teachings on the subject.

So, yeah, 170 plus years later, the church is finally recognizing that Book of Mormon people weren't the main ancestors of the NAs. How soon this circulates out to the main membership will be anyone's guess.

[_The Nehor]

Which is my word to the Gentile, that soon it may go to the Jew, of whom the Lamanites are a remnant, that they may believe the gospel, and, look not for a Messiah to come who has already come.

Is this a rebuttal? Are you suggesting that the Lamanites would not be a remnant of the House of Israel in this case?

No. It's a statement of canon. Please provide a reference for your earlier supposition.

I tried, you told me I was ignorant about war without explaining why. In addition, you have Mormon bragging about being a pure Nephite, the quick absorption of foreign elements (Zoramites picked up new religion very quickly), and the boast of enemies not having power over the Nephites when the Lamanites and Nephites were under one government (i.e. there was someone else out there).

[_harmony]

Who says those people at the temple dedications were not Lamanites? I believe the blood of Lehi flows in many, if not most, of the Amerindians living today. Indeed, Lehi is probably a direct ancestor of almost all of them. Just like you and I are direct descendants of Charlemagne.

Actually, the news said yesterday that 95% of all Native Americans today can be traced to 6 women before the trek across the ice bridge. No mention of a Jew anywhere.

source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03 ... index.html

And Charlemagne only works for Europeans, and then more than likely, not at all. Anyone of African or Asian descent wouldn't qualify, even remotely.

[_The Nehor]

I like you well enough. Although I do think you are an example of the emasculated men of whom I spoke above. Maybe a testosterone supplement would help. Check with your doctor.

I'd love to arm-wrestle to test that theory.

Sorry, I look at your avatar and keep wanting to break out into song, "He's a lumberjack and he's okay."

[_The Nehor]

Actually, the news said yesterday that 95% of all Native Americans today can be traced to 6 women before the trek across the ice bridge. No mention of a Jew anywhere.

source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03 ... index.html

And Charlemagne only works for Europeans, and then more than likely, not at all. Anyone of African or Asian descent wouldn't qualify, even remotely.

If people were descended solely from one woman 20,000 years ago this would mean something.

[_William Schryver]

Who Knows:

- Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas, and that native americans came exclusively from them.

No, he didn’t.

- In 2007, the phrase 'principal ancestors' is removed from the Book of Mormon.

The phrase “principal ancestors” was never in the Book of Mormon.


And you believing and making those two statements is a prime example of how poorly informed you are on this entire topic.

The whole “DNA analysis disproves the Book of Mormon” argument is the weakest critical argument formulated since the book first appeared 178 years ago. Yet that doesn’t keep fools from continuing to lean on what they consider “science” to justify their apostasy.


Anyway, I have to go now folks. It’s been fun . . .

[_harmony]

Anyway, I have to go now folks. It’s been fun . . .

Which is another way of saying, "I've painted myself into a corner I can't get out of, so I'm bailing..."

Bye, Will.

[_William Schryver]

Who says those people at the temple dedications were not Lamanites? I believe the blood of Lehi flows in many, if not most, of the Amerindians living today. Indeed, Lehi is probably a direct ancestor of almost all of them. Just like you and I are direct descendants of Charlemagne.

Actually, the news said yesterday that 95% of all Native Americans today can be traced to 6 women before the trek across the ice bridge. No mention of a Jew anywhere.

source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03 ... index.html

And Charlemagne only works for Europeans, and then more than likely, not at all. Anyone of African or Asian descent wouldn't qualify, even remotely.

Just one quick comment before I leave.

Nothing in the story about the "6 women" conflicts with anything I have argued on this thread. But harmony posting it here, under the obvious impression that it is relevant, is another typical example of the ignorance of those who think they understand the essentials of this discussion.

Oh, well, I don't expect that to stop people from uttering stunningly-misinformed non sequiturs like: "No mention of a Jew anywhere."


No kidding . . .