Lamanite only a political designation?

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_guy sajer
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Post by _guy sajer »

Ten Bear wrote:
After reading further posts, it became evident that no sane person would be making these kind of statements. They're just posting with only one rule in mind. Say whatever you want, but never, ever give in. Loosing is not an option.


In my experience talking with folks like Will, BC Space, Charity, etc. their #1 guiding principle appears to be to never concede any point, no matter how reasonable, no matter how untenable their own position is. They can concede small, obvious points and still not lose the fight, necessarily, but they refuse to do this. Willingness to concede the obvious is not a sign of weakness, and even the best arguments have flaws in them that an honstely reflective person would concede, and one can be right overall but still make certain arguments that are not well-founded.

But, if you go the rounds with the internet apologists, few of them are ever willing to make any concessions whatsoever. In other words, their arguments (no matter how much they violate common sense, or no matter how much they would never, ever make similar arguments in any other context) are, in their own minds, absolutely, positively perfect. No holes, no flaws, nothing not quite perfectly thought through. It's really an amazing spectacle.
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Ten Bear wrote:Do you ever wonder if this site is some kind of "play ground" for the likes of Will and gang. They know good and well what they are saying is silliness. They still have faith in the church, but sometimes they just want to act out some dark fantasies where there are no rules and they can just throw mindless thoughts and ideas and "spar with the enemy" with no accountability. You know, while no one's looking.

"Here, watch this. Get a load of this. I'm going to throw this hairless, toothless, weak dog into the fight and watch the fun. Who cares what they think. It's just fun to play with them."

Then we answer back as if they are sincere.

This is how I felt yesterday after having some exchange with Will where I thought some level of intelligent ideas were being brought out. Then suddenly, he turns on Liz like some spoiled middle school student with about the same manners. It was shocking to me. Then I thought, this guy is a joke. He isn't here for thoughtful discussion, this is a game to him. Some place to just "mess around". Make jabs at the opostates and watch them squirm.

After reading further posts, it became evident that no sane person would be making these kind of statements. They're just posting with only one rule in mind. Say whatever you want, but never, ever give in. Loosing is not an option.

$.02


Thanks for saying this. This is the reason I've been absent the last few weeks, though lurking now and then. No grand farewell posts but I think I'm close to being outta here. Don't want to get into it in this thread. Maybe I'll write more later. Suffice it to say that a few bullies can manage to reduce things to the trivial and nauseating far too quickly.
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Post by _Yoda »

I would hesitate in lumping Will in with BC and Charity. I have, at least, been able to carry on amicable conversations with both BC and Charity. Also, at least in prior conversations I have had with both BC and Charity, they have been willing to concede some points but not others, as would be expected in a debate forum.
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Post by _Yoda »

Blixa wrote:Suffice it to say that a few bullies can manage to reduce things to the trivial and nauseating level far too quickly.


:)

I think I just found my new sig line.

I hope you don't leave us completely, Blixa. Please stay in touch via email.

I'll PM you later.

:)
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Post by _Sam Harris »

We could just transport offenders to Will's new planet (after all, he has graduated to being a God in real life) Assholia...
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liz3564 wrote:
Blixa wrote:Suffice it to say that a few bullies can manage to reduce things to the trivial and nauseating level far too quickly.


:)

I think I just found my new sig line.

I hope you don't leave us completely, Blixa. Please stay in touch via email.

I'll PM you later.

:)


Well thanks, though I went back and edited out "level" as I thought it read rather clumsy with it.

I'll probably write something about my thoughts in the next day or so and post it in the O/T forum.
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Blixa, take a vaca to the Goddess suite...the temps a nice 77, Bond looks marvelous in his silk thong, Mok's another Emeril, and the men behave. If they don't...we taser them and throw them in the basement. No bullies allowed.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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Post by _Yoda »

Blixa wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
Blixa wrote:Suffice it to say that a few bullies can manage to reduce things to the trivial and nauseating level far too quickly.


:)

I think I just found my new sig line.

I hope you don't leave us completely, Blixa. Please stay in touch via email.

I'll PM you later.

:)


Well thanks, though I went back and edited out "level" as I thought it read rather clumsy with it.

I'll probably write something about my thoughts in the next day or so and post it in the O/T forum.


I fixed it. LOL
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Post by _Yoda »

Sam Harris wrote:Blixa, take a vaca to the Goddess suite...the temps a nice 77, Bond looks marvelous in his silk thong, Mok's another Emeril, and the men behave. If they don't...we taser them and throw them in the basement. No bullies allowed.


Ah, yes...I'll be retiring there shortly. ;)

Thanks for holding down the fort, Sammy!
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Post by _Sam Harris »

liz3564 wrote:
Sam Harris wrote:Blixa, take a vaca to the Goddess suite...the temps a nice 77, Bond looks marvelous in his silk thong, Mok's another Emeril, and the men behave. If they don't...we taser them and throw them in the basement. No bullies allowed.


Ah, yes...I'll be retiring there shortly. ;)

Thanks for holding down the fort, Sammy!


LOL, no prob. Nehor has developed a cordial relationship with his duct tape, so my job has been easy lately.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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