Call for BCSpace to explain the TRUE doctrine of polygamy

[_bcspace]

You still haven't explained how there is going to be a lot of Polygamy Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, yet there will be no Polyandry Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, when there are 105 boys born for every 100 girls.

Your error in correlation should be obvious even to you. Any consideration of birth ratio does not apply here. What does apply is the ratio of women to men in the highest degree of the CK (where marriage is practiced). If every man in that degree of the CK must be married to at least one woman, what do you think the ratio would look like?

Actually, the historical birthrate does apply, since all those children who died before age 8 are automatically in the CK. So it's entirely possible that there will be more males than females in the CK.

Still doesn't work. Since polygamy and polyandry are being speculated here, it is the highest degree of the CK, not the whole CK, that is in question here. Since marriage is the only way to enter it, the birth rate does not tell us anything at all.

Since the point where spirit enters the body is not defined, you also have to factor in how many unborn that dies. There are just too many details to consider here.

[_beastie]

Still doesn't work. Since polygamy and polyandry are being speculated here, it is the highest degree of the CK, not the whole CK, that is in question here. Since marriage is the only way to enter it, the birth rate does not tell us anything at all.

Since the point where spirit enters the body is not defined, you also have to factor in how many unborn that dies. There are just too many details to consider here.

Unless you, like some others, are speculating (the completely unwarranted idea) that children who die before the age of 8 do NOT automatically go to the highest degree of glory in the CK, this comment makes no sense.

It is also extremely unlikely that female miscarried fetuses would so dramatically outnumber male miscarried fetuses to offset this balance.

Face it, you're going to have to share your wife.

[_bcspace]

Unless you, like some others, are speculating (the completely unwarranted idea) that children who die before the age of 8 do NOT automatically go to the highest degree of glory in the CK, this comment makes no sense.

How so? If one has to be married in the highest degree, none of this matters.

It is also extremely unlikely that female miscarried fetuses would so dramatically outnumber male miscarried fetuses to offset this balance.

Yet females out survive males in mortality. Your logic is twice-flawed.

Face it, you're going to have to share your wife.

How so?

[_harmony]

Face it, you're going to have to share your wife.

How so?

Because you are not an alpha male.

[_beastie]

How so? If one has to be married in the highest degree, none of this matters.

LDS scriptures say that children who die before the age of 8 are saved in the CK. The number of males will outnumber the number of females in this category by many millions. Each of these will need a partner to marry. So there will be millions of males who are guaranteed salvation in the CK who will not have a wife, because there are not enough women to go around.

beastie:

It is also extremely unlikely that female miscarried fetuses would so dramatically outnumber male miscarried fetuses to offset this balance.

bc

Yet females out survive males in mortality. Your logic is twice-flawed.

Yes, bc. Obviously female bodies are hardier in terms of survival, because they survive at higher rates than males at every stage of life. So how in the world does this make MY logic "twice flawed"? I said it's unlikely female fetuses would miscarry at a higher rate. Why? Because females out-survive males at every stage of life.

I didn't even look this up before making my educated guess, because the evidence about female hardiness is so clear. So I looked it up just for you, and guess what. I'm right.

Estimates of the sex ratio in miscarriages, obtained mainly by cytogenetic or nuclear sexing methods, have yielded conflicting results. We report the results of a study of the anatomic sex ratio among embryos and fetuses derived from a consecutive series of 3,469 miscarriages. The overall sex ratio (M:F) was 1.25. The male excess was confined to normally formed specimens (1.30) and was present at all gestational ages up to 23 weeks and all sizes over 5 cm. Among malformed specimens the sex ratio was close to unity (0.92). Agreement between chromosomal and anatomic sexing was excellent, and the cytogenetic sex ratio among anatomically normal abortuses showed a similar excess of males. We hypothesize that an excess of anatomic males among fetal deaths suggests the presence of a discrete cause or causes that operate on normally formed embryos and fetuses, whereas loss of malformed embryos and fetuses may be due to other mechanisms that affect females as often as males.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi- ... 1&SRETRY=0

So adding a miscarriage rate dooms you EVEN MORE.

How so?

See above.

[_Brackite]

Face it, you're going to have to share your wife.

How so?

Well, your wife sure won't have to worry sharing you with another female in the Celestial Kingdom, since there will be more males than females in the Celestial Kingdom. Face it Bcspace, You are just not able to explain away, why there are 105 males born for every 1100 females, and that there are a lot more males who die before the age of eight years old than females. All of those males who die before the age of eight years of age, are automatically going to get to go into the Celestial Kingdom.

[_bcspace]

LDS scriptures say that children who die before the age of 8 are saved in the CK. The number of males will outnumber the number of females in this category by many millions. Each of these will need a partner to marry. So there will be millions of males who are guaranteed salvation in the CK who will not have a wife, because there are not enough women to go around.

Since you don't know when the spirit enters the body, you have no basis for this claim.

Well, your wife sure won't have to worry sharing you with another female in the Celestial Kingdom, since there will be more males than females in the Celestial Kingdom. Face it Bcspace, You are just not able to explain away,

I just did.

[_harmony]

LDS scriptures say that children who die before the age of 8 are saved in the CK. The number of males will outnumber the number of females in this category by many millions. Each of these will need a partner to marry. So there will be millions of males who are guaranteed salvation in the CK who will not have a wife, because there are not enough women to go around.

Since you don't know when the spirit enters the body, you have no basis for this claim.

Wait a second. Are you saying the spirit doesn't enter the body until age 8?

[_bcspace]

Since you don't know when the spirit enters the body, you have no basis for this claim.

Wait a second. Are you saying the spirit doesn't enter the body until age 8?

No. I'm saying that the birthrate is indeterminate because one doesn't know when the spirit enters the body. If it does not enter the body at birth (I personally believe it enters much earlier), then one has to account for miscarriages (early and/or late), abortions, etc.

[_Gazelam]

Polygamy was not practiced by the Nephites, but it was practiced by the Jaredites. The brother of Jared had 22 sons and daughters (Ether 6:20).

Although the Law of Moses permitted wives and concubines, the Lord forbade the practice in the promised land (The Americas). When Jacob decryed the practice, he was speaking to a group of church members who sought to justify wickedness in the name of prophets of old. Abraham and other prophets had practiced polygamy in righteousness, and the modern members of Jacobs time used this to justify themselves. Jacob states, as the prophet they were commanded to obey, thet they knew they were in the wrong in their practices (Jacob 2:34, 3:5) The Lords people are bound by the commandments given them by the prophet of their day, not those of an earlier time.

In saying that "whoredoms are an abomination before me" (Jacob 2:28) the Lord was not equating the principle of plural marriage with whoredoms or declaring that all such marriages - including those of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob - are abominable in his sight. He was denouncing the abuse of a sacred principle, not the principle itself.

What is abominable to him form of marriage is when the relationship is motivated by lust, or when it robs one's wife of her personhood and reduces her to the level of a thing to be used, mistreated, manipulated, or whimsically abandoned. In that regard, some monogomous marriages among us are abominable.

True marriage, and true polygamy, is practiced when a priesthood holder seals his name upon his loved ones and honors them by practicing and teaching the commandments of Christ. It is found in the leadership of honoring and directing the making and keeping of sacred covenants. This sealing and honoring of sacred names is expanded in the practice of plural families.