This kind of completely disengenuousness gives credence to the Church's critics. BC is a shining example of the kind of "truth" you can expect from many of those who purport to "defend" the Church. To BC, a "reference" to "plural marriage" is a reference to anything that references "plural marriage." Really? Whatever gets you through the day, BC.
Well, mms has given up where it took a raving idiot like me only 5 minutes to find what was asked for. I'm sure that there is someone else out there with the honesty and gumption to complete the mission.
Eliza R. Snow is listed but I wonder if their is any information on the site that says she was married to Joseph Smith.
No Lucy Walker mentioned on the site either - she really had a rough early life which included the death of her mother, being separated from her father and younger siblings and then marriage to Joseph Smith as a teenager. You would think the site would honor her with some mention of her life with Joseph Smith.
mms wrote:GIVE UP THE ARGUMENT that we should have learned this stuff when we were deacons. See my post above re Oaks admitting it was suppressed. You now have permission to stop arguing the utter ridiculousness you are arguing, as your leader has admitted the obvious SO NOW YOU CAN TOO. Geez. It is so facially absurd to argue that ALL of DC 132 is taught to the youth. There was a lesson on it two weeks ago and guess what? The lesson left out everything from 132 re plural marriage. Huh. Wonder why. Give me a break. Yes, I am active, yes a High Priest, yes go to church every week, etc. BUT STILL SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE ARGUING WITH THE UTTERLY OBVIOUS.
I think it is just best to ignore the rabid TBMS here. They will always lie, deny, obsfucate the truth - or blame anyone who doesn't "Get It". They are trolls, one and the same - trolling for a reaction.
Mister Scratch wrote:and the fact that Deseret Book doesn't see fit to carry all sorts of prominent works on LDS history is very telling.
I'm not sure why you are equating a private business with the LDS church??
Does the church mandate what can and can not be sold at Deseret Book? Could it possibly be a simple case of a simple business decision to not stock a book that is a poor seller for the intended demographic of the business?
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
I think this is a fair statement. Although I don’t think there are active campaigns from “the Church” to actively suppress history, it does so indirectly through predominately publishing and/or loosely promoting (by giving shelf-space at DB) the sunny side of the street. The major exception of course being RSR (which I didn’t see as being in a predominant place at DB last time I was in; perhaps it’s run its course[?]). I can’t remember where I heard this (so take it with a grain or two of sodium), but supposedly Terryl Givens The Viper… was denied the opportunity to grace the shelves of DB.
As a side note, my friend (a never-Mo) got his copy of No Man Knows… from a Deseret Book. He said they special ordered it for him.
[Edited to change "was not denied" to "was denied"... oops]
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"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
What was the published date of the seminary manual you cited?
I found a PDF copy on the internet from 1981.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
If BCSpace gleaned his quote from the above manual, then it certainly doesn't prove that anyone was or is made aware of Joseph Smith's polygamy in Seminary, as that is not a Seminary manual, but an Institute manual.
Institute is for post-secondary school Mormons. As far as I'm aware, high school students do not attend Institute.
Yes, the ignorance of some who never were members of the LDS Church or if they were, never attented or paid any attention at all in class.
I paid attention. In fact, I paid attention enough to know that Deacons do not go to Seminary. Sorry, BCSpace, but your quote from the Seminary manual is not evidence that Joseph Smith's polygamy should be known to Deacons.
Another typical ignoramus it would seem except that antiMormons smartly tell half-truths to make their conclusions plausible. Compare what I actually said to what KA is implying....
I heard about them when I was a deacon or a teacher, perhaps earlier. Where were you? Catching the latest sports score out in the parking lot? We do teach all of D&C 132 by the way.
KA also knows that teachers are 14 and 15 years old and do go to seminary. Of course, that inconvenient fact destroys her argument but she also knows that this is another page and it is unlikely you will look back to the previous page.
KA is KO'd.
BC, I was the Salt Lake Valley South seminary president in 1976. Our council had as one duty, to review the year's curriculum on church history. There was one lesson on sealings in the early church, and it said nothing more than that it was customary for many women to be sealed to Joseph, but they were not his physical wives on earth. That started with Brigham...because there were more women than men, and was necessary to care for all the women.
That's what was taught.
Believe it or not.
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche