Mormon couple on Moment of Truth

[_beastie]

Yes, I hate myself for watching this show, but in my defense, it's only the second time I've ever watched it. It is painful. But this time paid off - the couple was Mormon. The wife was the one being quizzed, and her question was:

If your husband left the Mormon church, would you leave him?

And she answered YES.

And was telling the truth.

Her husband looked unsettled, and the host asked him the same question, and he said he'd stay with her because love should go beyond religion. Poor guy.


But the weird thing - she was asked if she'd ever had sexual fantasies about her best friend, and also answered YES to that and explained how that's "normal".

Let me go on the record saying I've never had a sexual fantasy about any of MY girlfriends.

[_Infymus]

Yes, I hate myself for watching this show, but in my defense, it's only the second time I've ever watched it. It is painful. But this time paid off - the couple was Mormon. The wife was the one being quizzed, and her question was:

If your husband left the Mormon church, would you leave him?

And she answered YES.

Absolutely. I have seen this hundreds of times over the last three years. Mormonism teaches adult Mormons to choose the Cult over a loved one. When the so-called "loved one" realizes the Mormon Cult is nothing more than an absolute CULT, the spouse chooses the Cult and begins divorce proceedings.

"You can't take me to the Celestial Kingdom" is the #1 answer.

It shows how much control Mormonism has over people.

Get people to wear your stupid underwear? Power.
Get people to pay you 10% of their income? Power.
Get people to leave their spouses for a Cult? Power.

Joseph Smith had it right. Sex, Money, Power.

[_beastie]

I also believe that belief in the church's claims tends to make members consider divorce if a loved one exits the faith. Defenders of the faith often vehemently deny this, but every now and then the truth comes out. One vocal apologist actually "came out of the closet" and admitted that he thinks divorce is justified if the spouse leaves the church. He calls it "spiritual infidelity".

Note - I do not believe that leaders are TAUGHT to counsel members to seek divorce if a spouse leaves the church, but I think many do. Others do not. Like everything else in regards to seeking advice from church leaders, it's a total cr*p shoot because of the lack of intensive training.

Also, remember her husband said he WOULD not leave her if she left the church. This isn't absolute by any means. But I do think it is common. So much hinges on a "celestial marriage" in Mormonism, it's hard for that knee not to jerk.

[_beastie]

Here's the question she bombed out on:

would you pose nude in an adult magazine for 100,000$?

She said no, and her answer was false. She then admitted she'd do it for a couple of hundred thou.

She seems an extreme cafeteria Mormon, yet she'd still dump that hubby if he left the church. Hey, man, we all got standards!!

[_Infymus]

Beastie, I have been watching Ex-Mormonism for years and I can tell you assuredly that the Mormon cult teaches that a member should choose the Cult over a wavering member.

I have seen Ex-Mormons testify that bishops have counseled their spouses to divorce.

The Cult always comes first.

The Cult sees one member leave as a loss of tithing. Why make it two? Divorce the spouse, and marry another, thus guaranteeing the money continues to flow in.

Mormonism is, and shall ever be, Money, Power, Control.

[_Tarski]

I just posted this on MAD and it was locked in 1 second!

WTF?????


I have always felt this was one of the main harms of dogmatic adjherence to a religion. The religion is more important than the family. Ironic I think.

This is a popular show. I wonder if the effect of this will outweigh the Proclamation on the Family which most people have never heard of.

[_Tarski]

It brought back sour memories because my wife left me because I left the church (with the blessing of the bishop).
Really sad.

[_beastie]

Beastie, I have been watching Ex-Mormonism for years and I can tell you assuredly that the Mormon cult teaches that a member should choose the Cult over a wavering member.

I have seen Ex-Mormons testify that bishops have counseled their spouses to divorce.

The Cult always comes first.

The Cult sees one member leave as a loss of tithing. Why make it two? Divorce the spouse, and marry another, thus guaranteeing the money continues to flow in.

Mormonism is, and shall ever be, Money, Power, Control.

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I KNOW that many bishops counsel members to divorce over apostasy. What I haven't seen evidence of is that bishops are instructed by the Lords on High - GAs - to do so. I think the bishops are doing so because they're the produce of the same culture that this young woman is the culture of. Do you have evidence that bishops are instructed to do this?

But I think the core reason they do this is because they genuinely believe that the apostasy of a spouse endangers the eternal welfare of the faithful spouse and the entire family. Of course the practical application of this faith involves power, money and control, but religious fanaticism is at the core of it all.

I just posted this on MAD and it was locked in 1 second!

WTF?????


I have always felt this was one of the main harms of dogmatic adjherence to a religion. The religion is more important than the family. Ironic I think.

This is a popular show. I wonder if the effect of this will outweigh the Proclamation on the Family which most people have never heard of.

Good grief. I guess there are now taboo topics, all at the discretion of the Mad Mods.

And yes, it will have more effect than the Proclamation on the Family. Wonder how many people will google "Mormonism" and "Marriage" now? Life-long Mormons may not realize it, but to be willing to divorce a spouse over church attendance and belief is quite unusual, and viewed as extreme and fanatical.

[_cksalmon]

I just posted this on MAD and it was locked in 1 second!

WTF?????


I have always felt this was one of the main harms of dogmatic adjherence to a religion. The religion is more important than the family. Ironic I think.

This is a popular show. I wonder if the effect of this will outweigh the Proclamation on the Family which most people have never heard of.

So, this week:

roman=banned
Redsox=banned
Tarski=thread closed

You're more valuable as a poster, I suppose, a point at which I don't necessarily register any disagreement.

But, goodness. The overall picture of MADB is of a moderating staff that can't even fathom the concept self-analysis.

Close, suspend, ban.

Let's make application. This is exactly why, to my mind, the proposed MDB Celestial "attack-free" zone is so dangerous.

Not that MDB is importing MADB's ludicrously-paranoid moderating style. I just have come to expect MDB to avoid all appearance of evil in this regard.

Closing Tarski's thread with 0 responses.

That really, truly says something about MADB.

To my mind, there's no reason that MDB has to come even remotely close to saying something even vaguely similar.

I'm no MDB god, but I've come to expect much more openness here than there.

I don't want to see that jeopardized. And I invite all LDS and all Catholics and all EV Calvinists and all agnostics and all atheists and all former-EV's-turned-Hindu to join in here for open conversation.

As my grandmother used to say with reference to sticky situations, "Crap on a crutch."

Chris

[_skippy the dead]

I just posted this on MAD and it was locked in 1 second!

WTF?????

It's not locked, is it? I've seen a number of replies, and no little X next to it yet.