Mormon couple on Moment of Truth

[_truth dancer]

Hey Jason,

Certainly he does not. Because there is no such instruction and in fact I would dare say there is instruction in the opposite. Bishops ARE TOLD AND TAUGHT NOT TO RECOMMEND DIVORCE. They are to work with a couple through difficult issues and then let them make the decision.

Unless a Bishop is a trained therapist he should NOT be counseling anyone! Period! Like you the idea of untrained men playing therapist is disturbing to say the least! :-(

On another note...

In the LDS belief system, if a woman, while alive on the earth isn't sealed to a man who can take her to the celestial kingdom, she is left being given/assigned to some man as a non-first polygamous wife. Not something most women are thrilled with.

OTOH, if she is sealed to someone she at least gets to chose the man to whom she is sealed and will be the first wife. (I guess that is some sort of consolation)?

If a wife loses faith, the guy will just go on, find his harem and call it a day.

The point being, for women, the eternal consequences of her husband losing faith is much more serious than for a man.

I think this doctrine leads to women being much more willing to leave a husband if he loses faith.

~dancer~

[Guest]

And the Mormon Cult Lapdogs on MDB come running in to proclaim that NO GA has ever spoken about members counseled to divorce their apostate spouses - therefore, it does not exist. Who cares if hundreds of Bishops have counseled wives and husbands to divorce - because a GA didn't write/say it, it can then be dismissed. The twerch is twoo, go back to your comfort zone, all is well, all is well.

How very predictable.

It is easier to simply assume that Bishops do not counsel divorce because of lack of GA counsel on such grounds. That Cult Bishops are untrained individuals with no background in psychology or sociology and are unpaid does not come into view.

It shows that the Cult has no control over its Stakes and Wards and makes no attempt to improve.

How small a view Internet Mormons have of their Cult.

[_Jason Bourne]

Hey Jason,

Certainly he does not. Because there is no such instruction and in fact I would dare say there is instruction in the opposite. Bishops ARE TOLD AND TAUGHT NOT TO RECOMMEND DIVORCE. They are to work with a couple through difficult issues and then let them make the decision.

Unless a Bishop is a trained therapist he should NOT be counseling anyone! Period! Like you the idea of untrained men playing therapist is disturbing to say the least! :-(

I don't recommend bishops be therapists either. But they can be a listening ear and counsel on issues related to the Church. In such a situation I would work with the unbelieving spouse in a gentle and compassionate way and encourage the believing spouse to be loving and kind and remind her/him of the scripture that counsels a believer to stay with and unbelieving spouse. I would then send them off to a professional therapist.

The point being, for women, the eternal consequences of her husband losing faith is much more serious than for a man.

I think this doctrine leads to women being much more willing to leave a husband if he loses faith.

I already conceded that the doctrine can foster such concerns and result. I reject Infymus's typical nonsensical blathering that the LDS Church teaches spouses to dump and unbelieving spouse. That is an out right lie.

[_Jason Bourne]

And the Mormon Cult Lapdogs on MDB

And the pathological liar once again sings his song......But I have already proven that your accusation at least as far as I am concerned is hallow. This is called an ad hominem. It is also called poisoning the well.

come running in to proclaim that NO GA has ever spoken about members counseled to divorce their apostate spouses

And you the pathological liar have failed to back up your libelous claims. Talks cheap dipstick.

- therefore, it does not exist.

Well yea. If it is not taught you really cannot lay it at the feet of being taught by GAs. You said is fool.. You are the one who said the LDS Church teaches it. Back it up. Put up or shut the hell up. Show me ONE place such instruction is given or drop your claim. JUST ONE.

Who cares if hundreds of Bishops have counseled wives and husbands to divorce - because a GA didn't write say it, it can then be dismissed.

If you had a brain in your piss ant head and bothered to read what I said I admitted and gave you the point that the doctrine of eternal marriage and the hereafter can create a culture that will lead the the results of some spouses leaving and unbelieving spouse as well as some leaders giving bad advice on this. I also noted that Bishops are taught NOT to suggest divorce.

The twerch is twoo, go back to your comfort zone, all is well, all is well.

You have serious brain damage dude.

How very predictable.

Yep. About as predictable as your graded school rant. Go take a nap and get momma to change your diaper. You will feel much better.

[_The Nehor]

And the Mormon Cult Lapdogs on MDB come running in to proclaim that NO GA has ever spoken about members counseled to divorce their apostate spouses - therefore, it does not exist. Who cares if hundreds of Bishops have counseled wives and husbands to divorce - because a GA didn't write/say it, it can then be dismissed. The twerch is twoo, go back to your comfort zone, all is well, all is well.

How very predictable.

It is easier to simply assume that Bishops do not counsel divorce because of lack of GA counsel on such grounds. That Cult Bishops are untrained individuals with no background in psychology or sociology and are unpaid does not come into view.

It shows that the Cult has no control over its Stakes and Wards and makes no attempt to improve.

How small a view Internet Mormons have of their Cult.

Wait a minute. I thought we were a monolithic institution dictating our member's lives down to the minutest thing. Now we can't even get counsel from Salt Lake to our Bishops? Which is it?

[_Jason Bourne]

It is easier to simply assume that Bishops do not counsel divorce because of lack of GA counsel on such grounds. That Cult Bishops are untrained individuals with no background in psychology or sociology and are unpaid does not come into view.

It shows that the Cult has no control over its Stakes and Wards and makes no attempt to improve.

I conceded about four times that some bishops do this and that better training would help prevent it. in my opinion any bishop who tells a believing spouse to leave an unbelieving spouse is way out of line and ought to be released.

[_Infymus]

It is easier to simply assume that Bishops do not counsel divorce because of lack of GA counsel on such grounds. That Cult Bishops are untrained individuals with no background in psychology or sociology and are unpaid does not come into view.

It shows that the Cult has no control over its Stakes and Wards and makes no attempt to improve.

I conceded about four times that some bishops do this and that better training would help prevent it. in my opinion any bishop who tells a believing spouse to leave an unbelieving spouse is way out of line and ought to be released.

Much better response than calling me names.

My point was that you won't find any GA giving this counsel - yet there are hundreds if not thousands of Bishops in the field who are telling members to divorce the Apostate. You turned around and called me a liar and whatnot.

Fine. Just because a GA doesn't condone it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Why is it when Ex-Mormons say that it happened, Mormons jump in and dismiss the claim that because it isn't cannon, it doesn't exist?

[_Yoda]

Why is it when Ex-Mormons say that it happened, Mormons jump in and dismiss the claim that because it isn't cannon, it doesn't exist?

Jason didn't do that. Jason has served in a bishopric and was giving his perspective on what was actually stipulated, and what bishops are SUPPOSED to counsel.

I don't think anyone here is denying that some bishops do counsel divorce. The point is, they're not supposed to. And, yes, those that are counseling divorce in this instance are dickwads for doing it.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I just posted this on MAD and it was locked in 1 second!

WTF?????


I have always felt this was one of the main harms of dogmatic adjherence to a religion. The religion is more important than the family. Ironic I think.

This is a popular show. I wonder if the effect of this will outweigh the Proclamation on the Family which most people have never heard of.

I believe the problem was the personal nature of the thread. IE, you made it about your specific marriage. I think a general discussion of the topic would be interesting, though.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Closing Tarski's thread with 0 responses.

I'm not the biggest fan of the moderating, either, but for what it's worth, there were several responses to Tarski's thread before it was locked.