Ahhh crap...now my son doesn't want to go to Church!

[_beastie]

Cinepro would likely have to teach his son to be a NOM, or fringe Mormon, the way he is. That will admittedly be very hard to do at such a young age. I'm assuming cinepro values things like community and learning to care for and help others in the church, and that's what he would want to convey. However, it is hard to get a sense of those things from a three hour meeting block on Sundays that drills you in things that his son is not going to believe unless he is manipulated and pushed to believe. And if cinepro is open that he doesn't really believe a lot of the things the church emphasizes, either, his son is going to have a hard time keeping his mouth shut about it even if he is forced to go.

But the real danger, I think, is cinepro misleading his son about what cinepro's beliefs really are. The danger in that is the child is going to figure out the truth, anyway, and his respect for cinepro would be damaged.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Ultimately, I just don't want to stay home from Church yet. I would be more bored at home. We have our adventures hiking and stuff on Saturdays (and even though I really don't "believe" in the idea of God caring me sitting around on Sunday afternoons, I've learned to enjoy taking it easy for one day a week.) So for now, I'm still going to Church. We can't leave him home alone for 3 hours every week; we live too far from the chapel and he's had a few instances of bad independent judgment that make that impossible.

Ooooooo... Ok. This is about you. I was under the impression this was about your son. Well, by all means, keep going to the Mormon church and dragging your son along because you don't want to be bored.

C'mon, now. You don't buy what the Mormon church is sellin', your son hates it there, and you go because you don't want to be bored for three hours... Because Lord knows that Mormon meetings are so much more interesting than anything one could find to do outside its doors.

I would recommend that you put your son ahead of the Mormon church, and stay home so you don't force him to do something he clearly dislikes.

Skip the last two hours and take him to Starbucks, then hit the beach or a park.

[_Dr. Shades]

I have a rhetorical question for you, Cinepro. There is no right or wrong answer, I'm just trying to get a better peek into your mind:

WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER:

A. That your son grow up to believe everything about Mormonism, or
B. That your son grow up to believe nothing about Mormonism?

[_cinepro]

I have a rhetorical question for you, Cinepro. There is no right or wrong answer, I'm just trying to get a better peek into your mind:

WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER:

A. That your son grow up to believe everything about Mormonism, or
B. That your son grow up to believe nothing about Mormonism?

If you include basic things like "honesty", "chastity" and "charity" in the "everything", then I would say "everything". In other words, I don't want him throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If the "everything" is just beliefs about God and scripture, independent of ethics and and morality, then I would chose "nothing".

As it is, I think he would place himself in the "nothing" column, and he's a pretty good kid, so I think he already knows the difference.

[_wenglund]

Here is a similar, if not far worse "dilemma" to Cinepro's; my best friend has a 10-year-old son who recently informed him that he doesn't like to eat vegetables. As it turns out, my best friend doesn't like to eat vegetable either, but he faithfully eats them whenever his wife serves them (which is daily). Ohhh what are the parents to do? ;-)

Should they post their "dilemma" on a board predominated by vegetable critics and former vegetable eaters whose "moralizing" is somewhat akin to "let him eat cake"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_The Dude]

Should they post their "dilemma" on a board predominated by vegetable critics and former vegetable eaters whose "moralizing" is somewhat akin to "let him eat cake"?

Sure, why not. There probably is a message board like that somewhere.

[_antishock8]

Here is a similar, if not far worse "dilemma" to Cinepro's; my best friend has a 10-year-old son who recently informed him that he doesn't like to eat vegetables. As it turns out, my best friend doesn't like to eat vegetable either, but he faithfully eats them whenever his wife serves them (which is daily). Ohhh what are the parents to do? ;-)

Should they post their "dilemma" on a board predominated by vegetable critics and former vegetable eaters whose "moralizing" is somewhat akin to "let him eat cake"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Ugh. Not clever.

[_wenglund]

Here is a similar, if not far worse "dilemma" to Cinepro's; my best friend has a 10-year-old son who recently informed him that he doesn't like to eat vegetables. As it turns out, my best friend doesn't like to eat vegetable either, but he faithfully eats them whenever his wife serves them (which is daily). Ohhh what are the parents to do? ;-)

Should they post their "dilemma" on a board predominated by vegetable critics and former vegetable eaters whose "moralizing" is somewhat akin to "let him eat cake"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Ugh. Not clever.

Perhaps to the humor impaired. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Moniker]

Here is a similar, if not far worse "dilemma" to Cinepro's; my best friend has a 10-year-old son who recently informed him that he doesn't like to eat vegetables. As it turns out, my best friend doesn't like to eat vegetable either, but he faithfully eats them whenever his wife serves them (which is daily). Ohhh what are the parents to do? ;-)

Should they post their "dilemma" on a board predominated by vegetable critics and former vegetable eaters whose "moralizing" is somewhat akin to "let him eat cake"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I don't see this as a very good analogy. This is what asbestosman was doing earlier -- talking about things we force our kids to do that they don't want to do.

Eating their vegetables is something that we want them to do (even if some of us may not like salads -- I love 'em!) 'cause we want them to be healthy. Something that we think they do NOT derive value from we steer them away from.

When it comes to beliefs I can choose what my kids are exposed to. Will my kids derive value from hanging out with KKK members (it was born a county over)? I don't think so! Will my kids derive value from believing in the literal translation of the Bible? I do not think so! Cinepro mentioned chastity as important to him -- he wants his son to value that. Well, I am of the mind that I hope my kids have no indoctrinated guilt and shame about sexuality.

So, why force a kid to do something that the parent believes they derive no value from? You don't!

[_asbestosman]

I don't see this as a very good analogy. This is what asbestosman was doing earlier -- talking about things we force our kids to do that they don't want to do.

It adresses only one point, namely that a child's desire is insufficient to let him off the hook. I had thought that was a subpoint of dispute on this thread, but perhaps not.

for what it's worth, I think KKK point is good if kept within the boundaries you intended it: namely that we wouldn't force our kids into things we think are harmful. I think the point would be a bad one if we were to think that Cinepro views the LDS church the way we view the KKK.