are we going to see a FLDS in Texas legal backlash?

Post by **_Sethbag** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:51 pm

I'm watching the little news snippets and whatnot concerning the Texas child welfare raid on the YFZ Ranch and the removal of hundreds of children from the FLDS compound, and I'm reminded of a raid the Arizona authorities conducted in Colorado City back in, I think, the 1950s. It didn't end up turning out well for the state.

They started out with a search warrant for this one girl, and this one man who supposedly "married" and impregnated her as a 15 year old. Now they've been serving the search warrant for days, entered the temple, conducted house to house searches for more children and evidence, and bused off hundreds of people to shelters.

Somewhere there's gotta be some lawyers working for the FLDS just going absolutely nuts with this whole thing.

Is this going to backfire somehow legally? Are the FLDS going to be able to challenge this as an egregious government intrusion into their protected religious beliefs? Will the state face the prospect of a judge somewhere ruling that the taking into custody of these hundreds of kids was legally wrong somehow and order them all released, and then a big lawsuit will follow where Texas ends up paying out to the FLDS for the raid, the entrance into the temple, and so forth?

I really, really hope the Texas officials have their legal ducks in a row.

Post by **_asbestosman** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:02 pm

IANAL, but it is my understanding that religious beliefs have nothing to do with granting them protection in this case since it's about child abuse. If I'm right, the best way to sue the state would be to show that it either overstepped the bounds of the warrant, didn't have sufficient evidence that other kids were in imminent danger of abuse, or things like that. Otherwise concerns of child abuse are more important than any other rights for religious freedom. If I'm right anyhow.

Post by **_EAllusion** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:08 pm

They do seem to be using this one case as an excuse for a much broader intrusion into their community in order to break it apart. The images of the FLDS being bussed off in First Baptist Church buses provides a potent symbol of the potential religious motivations at play.

Post by **_Mercury** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:54 am

EAllusion wrote:They do seem to be using this one case as an excuse for a much broader intrusion into their community in order to break it apart. The images of the FLDS being bussed off in First Baptist Church buses provides a potent symbol of the potential religious motivations at play.

So what? I'm not for a religious motivation but if this is what it takes to halt the systematic abuse of the innocent then so be it. Whats next? Questioning humanitarian efforts because they are religiously based?

The taking away of the children in the baptist busses is a well deserved slap in teh face to the pedophilia promoting asshats.

Post by **_KimberlyAnn** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:00 am

Mercury wrote:The taking away of the children in the baptist busses is a well deserved slap in the face to the pedophilia promoting asshats.

I find the whining on MAD that the Baptists are likely evangelizing the FLDS women and children pathetic. That particular complaint--coming from people who's religion does almost no good work without advertising it in the hopes of gaining converts--smacks of hypocrisy.

KA

Post by **_Mercury** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:21 am

KimberlyAnn wrote:
Mercury wrote:The taking away of the children in the baptist busses is a well deserved slap in the face to the pedophilia promoting asshats.

I find the whining on MAD that the Baptists are likely evangelizing the FLDS women and children pathetic. That particular complaint--coming from people who's religion does almost no good work without advertising it in the hopes of gaining converts--smacks of hypocrisy.

KA

Its odd how much the MAD dickheads jump to defend pedophiles.

Post by **_TAK** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:23 am

I find it sleazy that certain people can compare the actions of consenting adults today w/ that of treating 15 year old girls like trading cards in a lame attempt to make the actions of early LDS founders seem acceptable..

Post by **_Mercury** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:26 am

Now that the innocents have been removed from the compound I hope the authorities in the area go Waco on them. Torch the place, shoot them as they run out the doors and jump out of the windows.

No sympathy for them. None. This is one occasion I am hoping Texas justice is applied liberally.

Post by **_EAllusion** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:35 am

So what? I'm not for a religious motivation but if this is what it takes to halt the systematic abuse of the innocent then so be it. Whats next? Questioning humanitarian efforts because they are religiously based?

I was suggesting that maybe they don't have a strong case for systematic abuse, at least not the illegal kind, but they do have strong disapproval of their religious practices and maybe even a desire to convert them to their own.

Post by **_Mercury** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:38 am

EAllusion wrote:
So what? I'm not for a religious motivation but if this is what it takes to halt the systematic abuse of the innocent then so be it. Whats next? Questioning humanitarian efforts because they are religiously based?

I was suggesting that maybe they don't have a strong case for systematic abuse, at least not the illegal kind, but they do have strong disapproval of their religious practices and maybe even a desire to convert them to their own.

Huh? Are you saying this because you do not know what you are talking about or because you just like being incorrect?

This raid has been carried out by local and state authorities not the baptist church next door. There is a close to bulletproof case for systematic multi generational abuse. Get informed and stop defending pedophiles.