LDS bishopric calls back into McCraney's show!

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:27 pm

MCraney's a blow hard. He got embarrassed by Van Hale a little while ago. It got so bad for the poor guy I actually felt a little pity.

He has nice chest hair though.

Post by **_solomarineris** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:16 pm

Sethbag wrote:Obviously I totally disagree with McCraney about God, Jesus, and the Bible, but I have to admit he wiped the floor with the Mormon guy. He was right on when he told that caller that he was the epitome of the Mormon guy. All that guy could do was flail around and say he knew the church was true. And McCraney nailed him to the wall on that one, asking what the difference was between what he'd just said and what the JWs and others say. The caller said the difference is that the LDS church is true, and those others are being mislead. Why isn't he being mislead? Because the LDS church is true, and it's leaders wouldn't lie. ROFL.

That might be the case with that guy but I suggest you listen his podcast with Van Hale.
He was anhiliated.

Post by **_Sethbag** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:07 pm

solomarineris wrote:
Sethbag wrote:Obviously I totally disagree with McCraney about God, Jesus, and the Bible, but I have to admit he wiped the floor with the Mormon guy. He was right on when he told that caller that he was the epitome of the Mormon guy. All that guy could do was flail around and say he knew the church was true. And McCraney nailed him to the wall on that one, asking what the difference was between what he'd just said and what the JWs and others say. The caller said the difference is that the LDS church is true, and those others are being mislead. Why isn't he being mislead? Because the LDS church is true, and it's leaders wouldn't lie. ROFL.

That might be the case with that guy but I suggest you listen his podcast with Van Hale.
He was anhiliated.

Yeah, I didn't hear that. I only ever see this Shawn guy when someone posts a YouTube link to him. Since he's a Bible-thumping EV obviously I think there's some fundemental problems with his worldview, and it doesn't surprise me in the least that he could be irrational about some things. All that said, in this particular case, with this particular Mormon repeat caller, Shawn wiped the floor with him. You gotta admit that.

Post by **_Always Thinking** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:27 pm

OMG, that Shawn guy is just yummy!

He did mop the floor with the LDS guy. But it is funny that he "knows" he is right because he knows he can trust the Bible. How does he know that? The same way that the John fellow knows the Book of Mormon is true. His argument against John can be turned around on him just as easily.

What makes his knowledge of the truthfulness of the Bible any more superior than the truthfulness of the LDS church?

Eh, it is all bunk!

Edited to add:
This one is hilarious! This is John's first call to the show. He rebukes him with his priesthood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWCuxyd ... re=related

Post by **_bcspace** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:31 am

Wow BC. I think you have an inflated opinion of yourself as an apologist.

I think you are confusing that with self confidence.

Based on your song and dance show about Adam and evolution, your atttempts to define LDS doctrine-which differs from almost every apologist I have even associated with,

The real question is does it differ from what the Church says about it's own doctrine?

and your denial that Adam God was taught

I've never denied that anyone taught it. I do deny that it's what BY was talking about in the first place.

or perhaps your buy in to the silly two Adam theory

I buy into the total context of what BY said on the subject in both the JoD and the WWJ. 'Adam-God' canot reconsile with all that was said.

I think you are a a light weight apologist.

Do you honestly believe I care about your opinion on that?

Post by **_bcspace** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:33 am

WAIT!!

I mised this gem! So BC thinks that only LDS believe the Bible? Utterly astounding.

Did I say that? Read it again.

I now dub thee BCLLWA (BC-Local Light Weight Wannnabe Aplologist)

On the strength of a strawman of your creation? LOL!

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:58 am

One of the saddest things I've listened to in a while.

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:00 am

bcspace wrote:I only watched the first one but I can already tell that I would have crushed him in debate for a variety of reasons including...

1) He claims to believe the Bible, he doesn't really unless he's LDS.

2) He doesn't know our doctrine.

3) I am too unconventional an apologist for him to handle. His favorite chestnuts are useless.

Who doesn't know your doctrine?

Post by **_bcspace** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:40 am

Who doesn't know your doctrine?

In this case, McCraney. But in my experience, nearly all critics of the Church seem to be incapable of expressing LDS doctrine which is clearly defined.

He did mop the floor with the LDS guy. But it is funny that he "knows" he is right because he knows he can trust the Bible. How does he know that? The same way that the John fellow knows the Book of Mormon is true. His argument against John can be turned around on him just as easily.

Indeed. The difference is that only LDS doctrine can be harmonized with the Bible in the sense that they do not conflict.

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:45 am

bcspace wrote:
Who doesn't know your doctrine?

In this case, McCraney. But in my experience, nearly all critics of the Church seem to be incapable of expressing LDS doctrine which is clearly defined.

He did mop the floor with the LDS guy. But it is funny that he "knows" he is right because he knows he can trust the Bible. How does he know that? The same way that the John fellow knows the Book of Mormon is true. His argument against John can be turned around on him just as easily.

Indeed. The difference is that only LDS doctrine can be harmonized with the Bible in the sense that they do not conflict.

McCraney? He's ex-LDS.