Ack! Tarski Banned At MAD!

[_John Larsen]

LOL, but I'm not a socialist. Are you just hallucinating? maybe to you requiring that people don't dump poison in the drinking water is socialism. I don't know. 99% of what you say is just flowery insults so its hard to tell.
And I only go with the majority of top scientists in whatever the field is unless I am an expert with massive counterevidence.
I am not on the fringe, I am not a socialist, and you may continue to wish that your minority becomes a majority. If it does, then that's where I will be---(with the evidence as always).

Virtually every statement you've ever made on a political subject has been well to the left of center in its general assumptions and interpretation of a given issue. This makes you a leftist, of one kind or another, and Leftism is Socialism, of one kind of another, and Socialism, like pornography, may, be, at least on the periphery, difficult to define, but we know it when we see it.

Further, AGW, from the perspective of many in the international left (not the least of which is Gorbachev himself), the environmental movement, and the Democratic Party, AGW has always been little more than a pretext.

And further, all your doing by stating over and over again that you go with "the majority of top scientists" is making ever clearer that you have no living idea of the devastating evidence and arguments that have been brought to bear against this idea by an ever growing number of "top scientists" who seem to know something that you do not: there is no empirical evidence (and this is the evidence that counts) that AGW is occurring, and there never was. The GCMs cannot predict future climate, and they never have.

You have obviously never met a real leftist.

[_Moniker]

Virtually every statement you've ever made on a political subject has been well to the left of center in its general assumptions and interpretation of a given issue. This makes you a leftist, of one kind or another, and Leftism is Socialism, of one kind of another, and Socialism, like pornography, may, be, at least on the periphery, difficult to define, but we know it when we see it.

Actually socialism isn't difficult to define, at all. Of course I would assume it's difficult for you to grasp since you still don't get that fascism is on the far right. Please stop lecturing people about things you don't understand. It's irritating.

[_Bond...James Bond]

You have obviously never met a real leftist.

Come on John. You and I both know that South Carolina has a large and vibrant Marxist community. ;)

[_Tarski]

LOL, but I'm not a socialist. Are you just hallucinating? maybe to you requiring that people don't dump poison in the drinking water is socialism. I don't know. 99% of what you say is just flowery insults so its hard to tell.
And I only go with the majority of top scientists in whatever the field is unless I am an expert with massive counterevidence.
I am not on the fringe, I am not a socialist, and you may continue to wish that your minority becomes a majority. If it does, then that's where I will be---(with the evidence as always).

That's just the way it looks to you because you are so far to the right that you make Rush Limbaugh look like a Kennedy.

Virtually every statement you've ever made on a political subject has been well to the left of center in its general assumptions and interpretation of there is no empirical evidence (and this is the evidence that counts) that AGW is occurring, and there never was. The GCMs cannot predict future climate, and they never have.

You are either a liar or an idiot.
I have seen the evidence myself---tons of it. In each case, the statistics and mathematical modelling that makes it clear is far beyond you so your opinion is one of the utter opposite of a qualified person.
The majority is the majority and talking of an increasing minority doesn't change that. Even if it were increasing it could well decrease tomorrow (can you predict that?? LOL). As it stands it isn't even close.

Let me once again remind you that you are not trained in, do not understand, cannot grasp, will not even try to understand science, it's practitioners or it's politics.

You prove it with every statement you make. You can't even keep climate distinct from weather. Hint: One is long term and can be reasonable predicted. The other is hard to predict in the short term and is chaotic. They have different time scales etc. Saying that a climate scientist has no earthly idea what is coming over the next 300 years is like saying that a weatherman has no earthly idea what the weather will be tomorrow.

I keep hearing arguments that chaos theory shows this or that. But who understands the real meaning of chaotic dynamical systems?
Mathematicians. Well, of interested is the recent symposium on climate change at MSRI in Berkeley (where I will be next week for a different kind of maths).


http://www.msri.org/specials/climatechange/workshop

These guys are the world's brightest.

[_Moniker]

Hope you have a pleasant visit to Berkeley, Tarski.

[_skippy the dead]

Hope you have a pleasant visit to Berkeley, Tarski.

Bezerkely! Cool - waive to me across the bay, Tarski.

[_Coggins7]

Oh my God! I'd love to hear you say this in any political science class, because any professor worth their salt would rip you apart. Of course you wouldn't take the message because you'd say that the Prof. is a Leftist, and thus is wrong.

Bobbing and weaving Bond. Ante up with something substantive and definite or leave the fray.

[_Coggins7]

You have obviously never met a real leftist.

Yes, I have, and I've been reading their books, monographs, and articles for decades. Need I say, keep up the pose John?

[_Coggins7]

Actually socialism isn't difficult to define, at all. Of course I would assume it's difficult for you to grasp since you still don't get that fascism is on the far right. Please stop lecturing people about things you don't understand. It's irritating.

All this displays Moniker, yet again, is your abject ignorance of history, the history of ideas, and the substantial conservative and libertarian scholarship that has been done during the last half of the 20the century on the subject of the history of the Left and Fascism's place within it as a major sect with a strong family resemblance to the other siblings. But in this, of course, you join many in the west and in America who have drunk deeply at the wells of the public school system and American popular media culture.

You have accepted what is probably the greatest intellectual hoax ever perpetrated on the masses of the west by any interested party in the history of the world, and the greatest and most long lasting success of the old Popular Front movement: the idea that Fascism, Nazism, and Socialism (especially Marxian Communism) are opposite, conflicting philosophies. Your entire view of the subject Moniker, though you are clearly unaware of it, is a product of one, primary seminal event: Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, without which the anti-Fascism crusade of the Popular Front in the west and the official ant-Nazi stance of the Kremlin would not have been formulated. Indeed, National Socialism didn't become a dirty word, despite tertiary doctrinal differences, among the Left until Hitler broke the Hitler/Stalin pact, and that was especially the case in America, where the CPUSA and other fellow traveling organizations were all unanimously against America entering the war in Europe. The cry of "antifascism" didn't emerge until after Hitler invaded Russia.

Go look at the original 1920 Nazi party platform (and as re-articulated in 1922) Moniker, and then come back and talk to me about how Nazism was not socialist and not leftist at its core. Mussolini was an ardent socialist, and, by his own word, remained so throughout his life. Fascism was a socialist movement, and one who's name was intended to connect it to the lost glories of ancient Rome. It was in no way intended by Mussolini as an antidote to, or a reaction against, the broader strains of socialist thought or politics, though it did contain ideas different than the traditional Marxian varieties.

The idea that Fascism and Socialism are opposite philosophies is pure, concocted myth, and its origin was the Soviet Union and its disinformation-industrial complex, not anything inherent philosophically in the systems themselves.

[_Moniker]

Coggins, Hi.


I bumped the thread where we slightly went over this. Would you please be so kind as to just do a refresher of the thread? I'd rather not do this again with you. Thanks.

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